After 18 years of traveling and speaking with an incredibly hectic schedule, which included speaking as many as 900 times a year and flying over 2,000,000 miles, Dr. Hovind was sentenced to 10 years in federal prison for failure to withhold and pay employee taxes.
People have contacted our ministry with a variety of opinions, but ultimately offering support for how God has used CSE to build their faith.
Dr. Hovind’s person who assisted the attorneys for this case has written a lengthy article concerning the facts and outcome of all that has happened. If you are interested in reading this article, you can do so by going to www.penaltyprotestor.org and looking on the right hand side of the page at the bottom of the menu and clicking on “Hovind Case.”
In his opportunity to address the court, Dr. Hovind tried to choke back the tears as he went through the history of the ministry as well as a history of his correspondence with legal advisors on taxation and the letters written to the IRS that were never answered.
“I intend to obey the law and think that everyone should obey the law,” he said. “If I would have known that I was doing something unlawful, I would have corrected it.” He admitted that he had dragged his wife into a battle that she did not want, and in his final comments he asked the judge to take any sentence that would be imposed on his wife and add it to his own.
For Mrs. Jo Hovind, the judge invited the attorneys to file more motions that could result in her sentence being reduced. With that said, a new “tentative” sentencing date was set for March first of this year. Jo was allowed to return home.
As I sat through the sentencing process for my mom and dad today, a flurry of emotions went through my soul including sadness and pain in seeing how this whole process could have been avoided, thinking about the money we needed to raise, knowing my kids will miss their grandpa, and knowing the big shoes I have to fill.
God has already demonstrated time and time again that He is more than able to take a challenging situation and use it for His own glory. I don’t know how often you try to figure out what God is doing, but there is always something in me which tries to guess what God is up to. Then I remember the rhetorical questioning of Isaiah where he asks, “Who hath known the mind of the Lord?”
Yes, despite the circumstances, we look to a bright future here at CSE as we continue to produce and distribute creation material that will be used to train and equip Christians for the greatest opportunity ever – the opportunity for God to draw others to Himself through the work of CSE. There are still many who do not know the truth about creation. We feel that it is our responsibility to make this message available to all who will hear.
Please pray for me as I accept the challenge to lead CSE into this new season. I am excited, because I know God has things we cannot even imagine on the horizon. I am humbled, because as I said, these are big shoes to fill.
I have been working for my dad all my life. He has taught me everything from how to ride a bike to how to build a house. I have learned a great deal from him as I have served with this ministry in doing everything from digging ditches to speaking in churches for eight years now. I have had the opportunity to present my dad’s seminar in more than 40 states and six countries. This message and information on creation still amazes me! I will be continuing my speaking schedule to include the requests for creation talks that come in weekly. In fact, the Creation message will be the sole focus of my speaking engagements, as that is the battlefield that God has called our team to fight in. So our ministry to churches, conferences, and public engagements will not change. I would encourage you to schedule in advance and sooner-vs-later since we have one less speaker on our team for the time being.
The obvious question which many are asking is whether CSE is implementing any changes to avoid these unfortunate circumstances in the future. I would like to assure you that I have personally met with the IRS and have been seeking their advice on the future direction of our ministry. This is part of our commitment to make the creation message the sole focus of this ministry.
Many of you have asked what you can do to help and have already demonstrated your love and faithfulness to us by writing letters to the court and sending the money necessary to continue this work for God. Your love and concern overwhelms us with encouragement. And yes! There is much you can do to help.
First and most obvious, I ask that you pray.
–Pray for my dad, that God would give him peace in the midst of storms.
–Pray for my mom, as she still has to go to court for sentencing on March first.
–Pray for me, that God would give me wisdom to lead this ministry in my dad’s absence.
–Pray for souls to be saved with the message of creation that is so vital to today’s world.
–Pray for God’s mercy in the appeal.
Second, I would ask you to continue to write letters to Dr. Hovind and let him know how this ministry has impacted you or your church. This would be a great encouragement as he reflects on the past 18 years of ministry.
Third, I ask that you be a part of supporting this ministry.
–You can purchase material including books and DVDs from the ministry in order to strengthen your faith and the faith of others.
–You can copy the material and creation message and spread it to those who do not know or have not heard that the Creator made this world.
–You can give to the ministry. Obviously with the new frontier and financial obligations, we have financial needs. I would ask you to give generously to support the work as you feel led – be that as little as one dollar or more. If each person would be willing to take part in this ministry in just a small way, it would reap huge rewards.
If you do consider donating, or asking others to do the same, so that this work and this ministry can continue serving Jesus Christ our Creator and Redeemer, please send donations to the following:
Creation Science Evangelism
Attention: Legal Fund
29 Cummings Rd
Pensacola, Florida 32503
If you choose to donate online please click here. This link will take you to the donation section of our website.
I want to thank all of those who have prayed continually for this case and for these circumstances. God is in our midst, working in ways that we know not.
Eric Hovind
Darling, you wrote:
“I’m confused about your use of the word “observed” – specifically that you seem to be implying that direct observation is nessecary, scientifically.
Have you ever observed an electron?
Has anyone else?
If not, does that mean electricity is just a theory?”
I don’t believe you’re as confused about the word ‘observed’ as you are ‘evolution’ as it pertains to my statement. We can observe electrical currents, static electricity and even harness it to use at our leisure. We might not be able to see or observe the ‘proton’ as it were, but there gain we’ve never seen electricity, the result of a proton, evolve into a mole-rat or a sparrow either.
The observation of an item proves that it is there and nothing more… It does not prove how it got there.
Observation test…
You can see a red ball in the middle of a square room with four connected walls, no windows, one door and carpet on the floor, but by that statement or even by observing the ball you can never know how the ball got to that spot. You might theorize how it got into the room… You would assume that since we know there are no windows, four connected walls and only one door it came in through the door. Although you can’t say who or what caused it to come through the door you can say that by my statement above the only way is in through the door, so that must its method of entry. Without observation this is the most logical and scientific guess and thus would be considered fact by most. However, if you were able to observe the room instead of me explaining to you what was in the room and what made up the room, you would realize that it isn’t what you see, its what you didn’t see… I never said there was a roof, so the ball could have come in through the roof and not the door.
My point is, evolution has never been observed (with the exception of ‘micro evolution’ or better known as variations of a kind). It has been assumed because most (not all) the evidence points in the general direction of evolution, but just because it seems to be the only logical way, doesn’t make it the only way. If something can’t be proven sound and absolute, then there is another possibility as to its existance. Either all ideas of creation should be taught in schools or no method should be taught in schools. I think that both Creationists and Evolutionists have very strong arguments for their beliefs. I think that the great minds of each of these religions (and yes it is a religion, look the word up) both see strong, unprooved evidence to support each side. So neither of these should be accepted the indefinite prospect by our Government without both being taught and understood. Let’s allow the children and their parents decide how the universe was created. Each human is able to come up with their own logical conclusion by listening to all facts, they need not, government intervention to lead them the way the government would like them to go.
God Bless,
Gary Murray
Hi again everyone, God bless you all on this fine day!
This is a little message to The Welders Wife:
I found your post on Hebrew to English translations, Gods name how it relates to Jesus and Salvation in Hebrew, absolutely fascinating, I would really like to learn more about this and any other exraordinary insights you may have into our Lords written word!
However, one thing I found a little bit strange, (please dont take this the wrong way) was your comment regarding babies throwing a tantrum in the night and comparing this to sin. I honestly dont believe or understand how God will hold these babies accountable for anything like this. From what I understand (and this is still expanding) the age of accountability, viewed in Christian, Jewish, and other religious beliefs was around the age of 12. I cannot understand how or why God would judge a babies tantrum, especially when they are simply crying or whining for their nappy changing, or because they are too hot or cold, or because they are hungry. I have 3 children and they all went through this stage (I have a 1 year old still there)and do not know any better. I can honestly say, I do not think God judges the sins of a minor untill they reach the age of accountability.
Gods love and blessings to all of you.
Sam.
Here is a little post for all of you non-believers out there. God loves you.
Do you think you could snap out of your sarcastic, cynical, critical, negative attitude for 1 moment? (If you are not in this frame of mind, great! You might just read and understand without reading halfway and turning your nose up!) and give this some serious, unbiased, humble thought?
No one so far (as far as we have got in time) has ever (and will ever I might add) been or be able to prove our origin and destination empirically. We ALL have to rely on some form of faith.
So…
What if you are right about no God, no afterlife, and when we die there is absolutely nothing after death. No repercussions for our actions, no spirit world, no good or evil. None of us really have anything to worry about (apart from the prospect of the oblivion of nothingness).
However…
What if we, the believers in God, believers in the afterlife are correct in our studies and belief? Are you prepared for this? I don’t think you can prepare for an eternity of nothingness, but you can prepare for an eternity of “somethingness” so to speak.
My point is, what are all of you guys gonna do when Jesus comes back? Are you all STILL going to deny him? I desperately hope not, I honestly believe the Lord loves ALL of us, no matter what. As long as we can do the humble thing of accepting his FREE gift of salvation by praying the below prayer.
Cmon, it doesn’t cost anything at all! (apart from sacrificing a little bit of pride) and I can personally vouch for the positive effects it has on lives, minds, bodies, souls & spirits! Thank you Jesus! Praise God for making it sooooo simple!
Please say this little prayer below and sincerely mean it:
Dear Lord,
It’s me [name]; I’m praying this prayer to ask you for your free gift of salvation.
I believe you are the Son of God, the father manifest in mortal flesh.
I believe you lovingly died for me that day on that cross on Calvary.
I know I am a sinner, I know I have done things wrong, against you, myself and others in life.
Please forgive me of my sins, please help me to love you and to love others.
Please give me your free gift of salvation & eternal life through your son Jesus Christ. Amen.
It’s honestly THAT simple!
If you have said this prayer, out loud or in your head, and sincerely meant it with your heart, you WILL be guaranteed a place in heaven! (Your rewards in heaven however, are a different story.)
John 3:16-17 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
God loves you guys, regardless. I beg you, please give him a chance, please don’t turn him away, he has so much to offer and more. We cannot even begin to comprehend what he has laid up in the next life for us. All you have to do is believe!
Keep on believing God answers prayer,
Keep on believing he’s still up there,
Trust in his promises written for you,
Keep on believing and praise your way through!
God bless and keep you all!
All my love and prayers,
Sam
daro2096
Said this at 6:38am:
“The reason why God didn’t deliver Kent Hovind out of prison is because he is not following the 10 commandments of God. You break the least of these commandments and you break all 10. God is punishing Kent Hovind for not following the 4th commandment to honor the true Sabbath of the Lord on the 7th day not the first day.”
In relationship to the sabbath: Here are some versus that transfers the Lord’s Day from Saturday to Sunday… Acts 20:7; 1 Corinthians 16:2; Hebrews 7:12…
The Old Testament “Sabbath” (simply meanint 7th) was on Saturday, teh last day of teh week, to commemorate the finished work of Creation. It was celebrated one day a week by resting from our labors concerning that Creation.
The New Testament “Sabbath” commemorates the finished work of redemption, and is celebrated by resting in the finished work of Christ on teh Cross 7 days a week – thsu trusting His WOrk, not our works for salvation. Hebrews 4:1-11, pay close attention to verses 3-4 and 8-10.
The New Testament Sabbath was merely a shadow or symbol of what Christ would come and do just as was the sacrificial system. Proof of this statment is found below:
The reason why God didn’t deliver Kent Hovind out of prison is because he is not following the 10 commandments of God. You break the least of these commandments and you break all 10. God is punishing Kent Hovind for not following the 4th commandment to honor the true Sabbath of the Lord on the 7th day not the first day.
Colossians 2:16-17
“16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.”
-KJV
A secondary picture of the Saturday Sabbath was that of a future Sunday day of worship. The Saturday Sabbath was primarily a day of rest, with no regular religious services commanded under the Law.
The Sunday Lord’s Day, however, is primarily a day of worship, with rest as only its secondary meaning. Thus Sunday is not actually the Christian ‘Sabbath’ (meaning “seventh” day) as is commonly believed. It is rather ad ay of worship and celebration of the resurrection, which (without any shadow of a doubt) occured on the first day of teh week, Sunday.
Mark 16:9
9 “Now when Jesus was risen early the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom he had cast seven devils.”
-KJV
Note a few other major events of the New Testament which occured on the first day of teh week.
The Resurrection of Christ (Mark 16:9; Matthew 28:1-6; Luke 24:1-6; John 20:1)
The first Resurrection appeareances: (Mark 16:10-14; Matthew 28:8-10; Luke 24:13-40; John 20:11-19-23)
Jesus’ prophecy of the Holy Spirit (John 20:22)
The appearance to Thomas (John 20:26-29)
*Note: the phrase “after eight days” was the Jewish way of stating from Sunday to Sunday as they would include both Sundays in the count.
The five givings of teh Great Commission (John 20:21; Mark 16:9-15; Matthew 28:18-20; Luke 24:46-49; Acts 1:8)
The Ascension (Acts 1)
The Day of Pentecost (Acts 2)
The Final Revelation of Scripture (Rev 1:10)
Christian Worship, Preaching and the Lord’s Supper (Acts 20:6-7)
Christian Offerings and Collections (1 Corinthians 16:1-2)
Finally, notice the following evidences that we are NOT to keep the Old Testament Saturday Sabbath today:
The command to keep teh Sabbath is NEVER repeated in the New Testament. In fact, it is the ONLY one of teh Ten Commandments which is NOT repeated in the New Testament.
Sabbath breaking is never included on any New Testament list of sins.
The Sabbath was given exclusively to the Jews as a sign of God’s covenant relationship with them and was never given to the Gentiles (Exodus 31:12-16; Nehemiah 9:13-14)
The Sabbath was part of the Old Testament Law and we are no longer under the law (But Praise God under Grace!) (Galatians 3:23-25; Colossians 2:14)
Contrary to popular opinion, the command to keep teh Sabbath was not given until Moses received the Law at Mt. Sinai
Genesis states that God rested on the seventh day, but contains no command that man should do so.
There is no Biblical record that any human kept the Sabbath until Moses received the Law.
In fact, the Genesis account of God resting on the seventh day was not even written until Moses received the Law at Mt Sinai
There are many clear New Testament Passages stating that we are not to keep teh Saturday Sabbath today. (Colossians 2:14, 16-17; Galatians 4:9-11; Romans 14:4-6; Acts 20:6-7; 1 Corinthians 16:1-2)
Note: Paul warns about keeping the Sabbath to those still attempting to keep Old Testament Law. Even today, Sabbatarian groups still believe that they are under the Law, such as the Seventh Day Adventists.
Church history verifies that the Early Church did worship on Sunday… Although, Sabbatarians try to prove (as daro2096 has)that the church did not worship on Sundays until Catholic Councils changed the day of worship in AD 364, all of these and other early Christian writers and writings clearly and strongly declare that the early Christians worshiped on Sundays, NOT Saturdays.
Ignatius of Antioch (AD 110)
Justin Martyr (AD 100-165)
The Epistle of Barnabas (AD 120-150)
Irenaeus (AD 178)
The Didache (teaching) of the Apostles (AD 70-75)
The Epistle of Pliny (AD 112)
Clement of Alexandria (AD 194)
Just quickly and finally.. The two False Sabbatarian Arguments….
First: Jesus kept the sabbath and therefore so should we…
False: Jesus kept all of teh Old Testament Law (of which the Sabbath was a part) because He lived before His death and resurrection fulfilled and annuled the Law. It is HE WHO set us free from the Law! (Romans 10:4; Hebrews 7:18; 8:13)
Second: Paul kept the Sabbath and so should we.
False: Paul went to the Jewish Synagogues on Saturday to preach to the Jews and worshipped with Christians on Sundays.
Daro2096… You have been misled. The Bible is very clear about the Law, what it is, who annuled it and what we should be doing today. We live by grace, not by Law. To live by Law is to assume that obeying Law is the only way to salvation which is impossible because then it would be by works of man that you receive salvation and we know what God says about that…
Ephesians 2:8-9
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
-KJV
There’s that word ‘grace’ again. “We are no longer under the Law but under Grace”.
I’m sure you were told to worship the Sabbath, but you were just misled. Please pick up your Bible, the Bible is meant to be taken literally, not hypothetically or even symbolic. It isn’t meant for just the spiritual elite to decipher. Read it for yourself, take in account the verses above and proof above. Then make your own decision as to what the Sabbath is.
Secondly, you are in no position to say why Hovind is guilty and why God did these things. Perhaps we’ll all know in the By and By, but until that time you nor I know why God does what he does…
Isaiah 55:8
8 “For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD”
-KJV
Finally, despite popular belief, God never leaves his children. He has never left Israel, never will.
Hebrews 13:5
“…for he hath said, I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee.” -KJV
Those are his children, as are the gentiles, but Israel was his children first. God loves all as his own individual child, there is no favoritism with God, as such would be hypocritical, that which I know my God isn’t.
“The Seventh-Day Adventists have the truth. ”
Well, no. You have a heretical version of religion that was passed down and changed over centuries to fit man’s symbolic translation of scripture. When I preach, I always challenge my listeners to read all scripture I give them to make sure my message isn’t in contrast with the scripture. I don’t do this because I don’t trust in the message God gave me to preach, it is because I don’t trust the fleshly man inside who is daily, battling with my spiritual side to cause me to damage my testimony. It is this type of weakness that has caused many churches to spawn into other religions and factions. Just stick with the Bible, straight forward and take it literal as the Fundamental Independent Baptist do. Just believe word for word, God’s word, not a priest, or a ministers translation of God’s Word. Look it up yourself to make sure what you’re taught is in alignment with what you should be reading.
God Bless!
Gary Murray
Oh, Samphire is from Europe, that figures. All of his posts make sense now. Europe is one of the most Godless areas in the world and it shows.
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“The laws of nature are the laws of God, whose authority can be superseded by no power on earth. A legislature must not obstruct our obedience to him from whose punishments they cannot protect us. All human constitutions which contradict his cannot protect us. All human constitutions which contradict his (God’s) laws, we are in conscience bound to disobey.” 1772, Robin v. Hardaway, 1 Jefferson 109.
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“To say that one may not defend his own property is usurpation of power by legislature. ” O’Connell v. Judnich (1925), 71 C.A.386, 235 P. 664.
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“History is clear that the first ten amendments to the Constitution were adopted to secure certain common law rights of the people, against invasion by the Federal Government.” Bell v. Hood, 71 F.Supp., 813, 816 (1947) U.S.D.C.
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“The rights of the individual are not derived from governmental agencies, either municipal, state, or federal, or even from the Constitution. They exist inherently in every man, by endowment of the Creator, and are merely reaffirmed in the Constitution, and restricted only to the extent that they have been voluntarily surrendered by the citizenship to the agencies of government. The people’s rights are not derived from the government, but the government’s authority comes from the people. The Constitution but states again these rights already existing, and when legislative encroachment by the nation, state, or municipality invade these original and permanent rights, it is the duty of the courts to so declare, and to afford the necessary relief.” City of Dallas, et al. v. Mitchell, 245 S. W. 944, 945-46 (1922).
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“Constitution of this state declares, among inalienable rights of each citizen, that of acquiring, possessing and protecting property. This is one of primary objects of government, is guaranteed by constitution, and cannot be impaired by legislation.” Billings v. Hall (1857), 7 C. 1.
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“Right of protecting property, declared inalienable by constitution, is not mere right to protect it by individual force, but right to protect it by law of land, and force of body politic.” Billings v. Hall (1857), 7 C. 1.
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“It is not the function of our Government to keep the citizen from falling into error; it is the function of the citizen to keep the Government from falling into error.” – Robert H. Jackson (1892-1954), U.S. Judge, in American Communications Association v. Douds, May 1950
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American Jury Institute http://www.fija.org/
Hello Dr Hovind, Sister Jo, Eric, Kent (Jnr) & the rest of the family.
Precious greetings to you all in Jesus name.
It is a great thing to serve the Lord & I thank the Lord for the suffering of this present time that you’re going through cannot be compared to the glory that shall be revealed unto you later.
Daniel was tried, Sharack & the friends were tried, the Lord sustained them, the Lord our God is mighty & He will sustain you in Jesus name.
Be refreshed with
Psalms 25:1-5
1 ¶ A Psalm of David. Unto thee, O LORD, do I lift up my soul.
2 O my God, I trust in thee: let me not be ashamed, let not mine enemies triumph over me.
3 Yea, let none that wait on thee be ashamed: let them be ashamed which transgress without cause.
4 Shew me thy ways, O LORD; teach me thy paths.
5 Lead me in thy truth, and teach me: for thou art the God of my salvation; on thee do I wait all the day.
Brother Kent & sister Jo, Remember the song below & be encouraged / strengthened as you sing. Many of our fellow brethren are suffering for their faith, you are not alone….Jesus is with you…It is well with you & the family in the mighty name of our Lord Jesus Christ.
Be not dismayed whate’er betide,
God will take care of you;
Beneath His wings of love abide,
God will take care of you.
Refrain
God will take care of you,
Through every day, over all the way;
He will take care of you,
God will take care of you.
Through days of toil when heart doth fail,
God will take care of you;
When dangers fierce your path assail,
God will take care of you.
Refrain
All you may need He will provide,
God will take care of you;
Nothing you ask will be denied,
God will take care of you.
Refrain
No matter what may be the test,
God will take care of you;
Lean, weary one, upon His breast,
God will take care of you.
We are remembering you in prayers & we’ll continue to uphold you in prayers. We are confident that the devil & all His cohorts shall be put to shame & they will be in everlasting confussion when the Lord our God fights His battle.
The Lord your God will fight for you & you shall hold your peace. The battle belongs to the Lord….He will confound as many as have gathered together against you in Jesus name. For it is written: Isa 41:11-13
11 Behold, all they that were incensed against thee shall be ashamed and confounded: they shall be as nothing; and they that strive with thee shall perish.
12 Thou shalt seek them, and shalt not find them, even them that contended with thee: they that war against thee shall be as nothing, and as a thing of nought.
13 For I the LORD thy God will hold thy right hand, saying unto thee, Fear not; I will help thee.
I join the Psalmist to pray this for Dr Hovind & Sister Jo:
Psalm 35
1 Plead my cause, O LORD, with them that strive with me: fight against them that fight against me.
2 Take hold of shield and buckler, and stand up for mine help.
3 Draw out also the spear, and stop the way against them that persecute me: say unto my soul, I am thy salvation.
4 Let them be confounded and put to shame that seek after my soul: let them be turned back and brought to confusion that devise my hurt.
5 Let them be as chaff before the wind: and let the angel of the LORD chase them.
The joy of the Lord Jesus will remain your strength.
Eric, be strong in the Lord & in the power of His might. Put on the whole amour of God as you carry on with this enourmous task. The Lord Jesus Christ will strengthen you & uphold you & the rest of the family & brethren at CSE with His right hand of fighteousness in Jesus mighty name.
Remember,Ps 34:19 Many are the afflictions of the righteous: but the LORD delivereth him out of them all.
Sade Tennyson. London UK.
Sadly, my experience is that universities are the most dogmatic and oppressive places in our society. This becomes progressively worse as they receive more and more funding from governments that demand a particular viewpoint.
Dr. Tim Ball, Chairman of the Natural Resources Stewardship Project
daro, I was a Seventh Day Adventist but once I realised SDA were based on the old covenant I left. The Sabbath is not commanded to be kept any longer, Jesus fulfilled the sabbath =].
See Colossians 2:14-2:16 & Romans 14:5
Hello and God bless all of you on this beautiful day!
awright33: Your comment about Samphire being from Europe and somehow linking this to Godlessness is a bit short sighted. Whilst I agree, Samphires comments have been quite negative and clearly present his belief system and attitude, I don’t think it’s our place to criticize and condemn him/her for this as we don’t know their situation past or present. Let God be the Judge.
I think its pretty plain to see that Godlessness is running rampant throughout ALL of the world at the moment. When you start pointing the finger at other countries and especially continents, branding them all Godless, you have really got to look at your own attitude and outlook.
I am from England, and have lived here most of my life. I have been brought up with a good foundation on the rock – the Word of God. I did depart from my faith briefly in my teens, but as the prodigal son, I returned to my Lord and Saviour! Hallelujah! Thank you Jesus! Praise God!
The Lords children are scattered all over this planet, and there even more sheep waiting to be lead to the Lord. Mark 16:15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
The Lord said “ALL the world” and “to every creature” This means the Godly and the Ungodly. The “Godless” countries and the “Godly” countries (If there even is such a thing any more).
Matthew 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
Our job as disciples of Jesus, our duty as a soldier of the army of Christ is to get his message across to ALL people of ALL nations. We are not going to deliver this message effectively with negativity, regardless what we may think personally.
1 John 4:4-11 Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world. They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world, and the world heareth them. We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error. Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God. He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love. In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him. Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins. Beloved, if God so loved us, we ought also to love one another.
ANYONE can accept the Lord, ANYONE can claim Gods free gift of salvation through the blood of Jesus Christ. He already went through the hard part. Those who have ears for the truth will hear sooner, hopefully rather then later, lets keep the positive spirit of our Lord alive and not dwell on negativity.
God bless and keep you all in prayer,
Sam
Hey Sampfire,
what’s this about real men playing Rugby? No way!! You’re too funny!! My theory about Rugby is that it got started because a bunch of guys got board with cricket, so they started beating each other up, & to make it legal, they made a game out of it & gave it a name!!!!!!!!
& I have a slightly different definition about what constitutes a real man… A real man is a warrior for his wife & for his family & for his faith. The warrior thing about Rugby or Football or Hockey just doesn’t cut it…and I don’t know about any warrior type guys playing cricket! [But I used to like to play cricket! It was fun!!]
Got to go! Hope you have a fun day!
The Welder’s Wife
NaD said this at 6:59am, Feb4:
“So, all and none is copyrighted… right?”
CSE materials have always been copywritten. Protection is granted automatically – one doesn’t have to apply for it.
When CSE says “feel free to copy those and distribute them freely” that means they’re not going to enforce any of their rights.
In that respect the disclaimer – if indeed it is new – changes nothing. (If CSE intends to reclaim some of those rights, they need to speak with a lawyer.)
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Alzapa said this at 8:18am, Feb5:
Basically what is being said is that the number 2 person at PCC took the stand and said Christian ministries should pay all taxes etc….. but PCC is a 501 3 c. ?????????????????
My understanding is that PCC is a 501(c) and CSE isn’t, but that’s irrelevant. In both cases employers must withhold certain taxes from their employees’ paycheck. I assume PCC does so, but CSE didn’t. (CSE’s argument that there was no employer/employee relationship didn’t hold up in court.)
When a Christian is breaking the law, they need to be held accountable. It sounds like that’s exactly what PCC did – after giving Mr. Hovind fair warning.
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GaryMurray said this at 8:47am, Feb5″
“We might not be able to see or observe the ‘proton’ as it were… The observation of an item proves that it is there and nothing more…”
If you’ve never observed protons (or electrons), how do you know they are there?
My point is, evolution has never been observed…
And my point is that electrons have never been observed. So what?
Clearly, observation is not necessary for something to be scientific. We see the effects of electrons – we experimented, did some tests, tried out a few ideas, and eventually that’s what led us to deduce the existence of electrons. Exactly the same thing happened with evolution.
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JR Turner copied and pasted more out-of-context spam at 11:04am, Feb5:
*snip*
I’m still waiting for the full context of that Grace Commission quote.
Good day to you all on this wonderful morning!
Darling: You’ve hit the nail right on the head here.
“”Darling”" said this about “GaryMurray” saying this at 8:47am, Feb5″
“We might not be able to see or observe the ‘proton’ as it were… The observation of an item proves that it is there and nothing more…”
“”If you’ve never observed protons (or electrons), how do you know they are there?
My point is, evolution has never been observed…
And my point is that electrons have never been observed. So what?
Clearly, observation is not necessary for something to be scientific. We see the effects of electrons – we experimented, did some tests, tried out a few ideas, and eventually that’s what led us to deduce the existence of electrons. Exactly the same thing happened with evolution.”"
So Darling has been led to deduce (believe) our origins were founded by evolution, based on his opinion of the evidence, and others opinions of the evidence. This is faith because you believe in something you cannot see.
I could say exactly the same thing. I can’t see God with my eyes, God is not observable. But, we see the effects of God our almighty creator in ours and others lives! We’ve done the necessary experimentation, ran plenty of tests, tried out a few new ideas, and this is what has led us to believe there is a God, a creator, sustaining the universe, not “random organised chaos”.
Again we see so clearly the faith needed to believe in anything unobservable, the thing is, our faith is going to take us to heaven, the Lord has promised this in his word that was written for all of us. Where is your faith taking you?
God bless and keep you all in praise and prayer.
Sam
Here Belgium, a tiny country in Europe at the North Sea. First of all: shalom to you! (and sorry for our way of expressing in english, it’s not perfect). Our family and also christian friends around us are following your case in prayer, we were shocked. Also we recognise the forces of darkness behind this all and still: God is in control. We pray that your names will be cleansed, that you all will be without any blame in the near future.
I am an engineer as for my former studies, a housewife and parttime teacher of religion for children (up till the age of 14)and still studying myself. Your DVD’s on creation are such a blessing for us and I can share this with my pupils and others
In Belgium they have permitted that children can choose what they follow at school: catholic, protestant, islam, jewish etc religon. As there are only 1% protestants I have a very very little amount of pupils:…1 pupil at each school that I visit and I have to drive quite far to go to every school. But I realise that God is looking for people to train the young ones.
God bless you.
Oh man, I was so choked when I heard the news.
I went to hear Kent in 2003 when he came over to Wales and he’s such an amazing and Godly man. I even spoke with a number of friends about getting him over here again as a number of people from different churches in the area were interested in getting him to speak.
Now I hear he’s in prison, and for 10 years!!!! Yes, it is a new mission field for Kent, and I know he will be used by God, but I would love him to get back out preaching around the world.
I’ll be praying for him, and that T-shirt idea mentioned in one of the above posts is a brilliant idea!
Fundy
samuel said this at 3:42am, Feb7:
“So Darling has been led to deduce (believe) our origins were founded by evolution, based on his opinion of the evidence, and others opinions of the evidence.”
I don’t have a problem with the idea that the first spark of life originated from a supernatural source, but that is abiogenesis – which doesn’t impact the concept of evolution.
“This is faith because you believe in something you cannot see.”
Have you ever seen an electron?
If not, does that mean we only have faith they exist?
If so, you’re equivocating.
I can’t agree with you, joshrjb
I think it most unlikely that God would make a few thousand million galaxies just for his own pleasure. He had a lot of work to do on that first week and, as far as we know, he is still relaxing. Creation in this Universe was a once-for-all experience and therefore the reason for the galaxies existence must be as set out in Genesis.
However, I write as though both Genesis accounts were factual which, of course, I do not believe but thank you for your kind words anyway.
Samphire
Hi Samphire,
You need to get born again lad,dont keep hardening your heart.
You say you read revalation did you know it fits in with the Jewish tnck (old testiment) The book of Ezikel for example.
Did you go to Ios while in argeon?
Hi, Gorge
No, I didn’t get to Ios as we were running out of time but we did sail between Naxos and Ios on the way to Paros. I got within 5 miles of Ios which is also as close as I have ever been to India – but measured vertically.
Thanks for the advice but it is difficult to believe something which is clearly myth and invention and remain true to oneself. There is an awful lot of stuff in the world which you don’t believe either, Gorge.
Finally, are you suggesting that St.John had not read Ezekiel before he wrote Revelations? If the answer is no then it is unsurprising that the peg fitted the hole.
Eusebius, who was employed by Constantine (the Emperor who established Christianity as the state religion of the Roman Empire) and wrote an obsequious biography of that evil man, regarded the authenticity of Revelations to be entirely spurious.
Hi Samuel!
Sorry about taking so long to answer you but I thought it wise to confer with a certain welder first.
In answer to your question, it’s my understanding that the age of accountability & the fact that all human beings have a sin nature are two different subjects. Let me give you my background first, because then it will help you understand where I am coming from…
I became a Believer when I was 12 in Papua New Guinea. A year & a half later I had to go to boarding school down in Queensland, Australia for my Secondary Education [High School]. The school I attended had been founded by a church denomination that had bought into the theory of Evolution & had thrown out the first eleven chapters of the book of Genesis. Because of that they didn’t believe that man had a sin nature, & consequently, they also threw out the Gospel. One day I asked my Ancient History teacher [who was also the School Chaplain & a deacon in the church] about Adam & Eve. His answer was that it was an old wives tale that people used to use, but now we didn’t need it because of the theory of Evolution. I was devastated! I didn’t want to believe him, but at the time, I was on my own, so I stuffed it for a while. The following year my parents moved down to Australia & I left boarding school & got involved with some Christians who put their trust in the absolute authority of the word of God. Not long afterwards the Lord saw to it that two tracts came across my path. One of them was titled ‘Have You Been Brain Washed?’ written by Dwain Gish, Ph.D. & the other one was ‘Big Daddy’ by Jack Chick. I thank God for those two tracts! After reading them, I mentally threw out everything I had ever learned in the sciences from man’s perspective, & began again from scratch to learn the sciences from God’s perspective [I had majored in the sciences all through my Secondary Education.]. I now knew that I could trust God that what He says is completely & absolutely true. The scriptures are His words to us, from Genesis chapter one, verse one to Revelation chapter twenty two, and verse twenty one.
With that said, I’ll start with the subject of a sin nature. When Adam disobeyed God & ate the forbidden fruit, he acquired a sin nature that was passed on to every one of his descendants. Romans 3:23 says “For all have sinned & fall short of the glory of God. Psalm 14:1-3 & 53:1-4 & Romans 3:9-12 says that all have sinned. Isaiah 53:6 says that all we like sheep have gone astray & each of us has turned to his own way, but the LORD has laid on Him the iniquity of us all. Did Jesus die for babies too? Of course He did because they are born with sin natures passed on from generation to generation through the father’s seed. Jesus on the other hand didn’t come from an earthly father’s seed, so He didn’t receive a sin nature like the rest of us. He was conceived by the Holy Spirit instead & born of a virgin. 2 Cor 5:21 says ‘For He made Him who knew no sin to be sin for us, that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.
Now for the second subject: Does a baby understand his or her own actions? Of course not! So what does the scriptures say about babies dying? When King David’s baby son died, he said “I shall go to him, but he will not return to me.” So where are King David & his baby son at this present time? Both of them are under God’s grace up in Heaven. As far as I know ‘the age of accountability’ is not mentioned in scriptures. What is said is that there are those who don’t know their left hand from their right [Jonah 4:11] & God considers people to be children until they reach the age of twenty years old [See Numbers chapter 14], & they weren’t to be listed for the military until they had reached the age of 20 [See Numbers 26: 1-2]. In Leviticus 27 the LORD makes a distinction between children ages ‘new born baby to five years old’ & ‘five years old to twenty years old’. Anything else about ‘an age of accountability’ is outside of scripture, & it was taught either by Rabbis or Church Fathers, both of which may or may not be credible. If you are aware of somewhere else in scripture where this is mentioned, please let me know. The word for ‘son’ or ‘sons’ is mentioned over 4500 times in Scripture; Maybe there’s something there that I’m not aware of.
God is extremely concerned about what children are taught. [See Deuteronomy 6:6-9]. Teaching children God’s words & ways is a parental responsibility.
Hi Warocuya!
Thank you for that wonderful explanation about what was written above Yeshua’s execution stake. I looked it up in all the Gospels. Matthew, Mark & Luke call it an inscription, but John calls it a Title. I shared it with my friends here too. We all appreciate the insight because we’ve never understood before why the chief priests wanted Pilate to change the wording.
Hi, Welder’s wife
You said “Jesus on the other hand didn’t come from an earthly father’s seed, so He didn’t receive a sin nature like the rest of us.”
So why are the two genealogies of Matthew 1 and Luke 3 given? And why do they differ in an infallible book?
Also, what Warocuya wrote is nonsense. He is a heretic and should be burned – but not for too long. Each of the four Gospels has different but infallible wording but they all agree that the words ‘King of the Jews” were in the title. The reason that the chief priests allegedly wanted the wording revised is given in John 19:21.
Kind regards
Samphire
[EDITOR'S NOTE: A common question. Matthew traced through the legal (step-)Father, of Joseph, while Luke recorded Jesus' lineage through his Mother, Mary. Anytime one finds an apparent contradiction in Scripture it always means that there is a deeper truth or that the two "versions" add to each other. The skeptics keep contesting and eventually dying (while deceiving many, tragically) but the Bible continues to stand. Here is additional info: http://www.khouse.org/articles/1998/73/ (ed. note by P.A.) ]
Hi,
I really don’t want to come off as a mean person, but Kent Hovind lies to people.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bFm8uCZ6Uoc
Hans
Hi samphire
No I was suggesting The the aposol John had not read ezikiel,because an elder must be able to rightly divide the word of truth,and that amoungst the holy Spirits equipeing takes alot of bible study.I was just pointing out how Revelations was typical in its style and visions to the Jewish old testiment.You said he got his influence from greek writing of the day.Not that any of it matters to you I guess to you,but its nice to be correct on things.Why do you take influence from a 4th centuary veiw,and not that of a well documented selfproveing book called the bible?
Welders Wife,
Thankyou for your bit on the age of accountabilty.I feel you hit what scripture says about the issue bang on,and have rightly divided the word of truth.I never thought of king david and his son,it certainly adds to it which is a blessing.
As you have requested,I have wrote another scripture for you to look at on the issue – Isiaih 7v16
The may be no point in leaving a comment in a 380 post queue but here goes.
WAROCUYA
I do apologise but I have no recollection of who you are or what we discussed. I’m very puzzled how I could have could have “changed the rules of engagement” since I rarely use any rules of engagement.
“After Hovind destroyed you on his “Answering the critics”” I personally transcribed the entire three hours and cross-referenced it into the website. An interesting theme of Hovind’s response was how he avoided the science sections and occasionally argued against things I didn’t claim. People who are interested can read everything on the website http:\\www.kent-hovind.com under “Kent and Eric Respond”
HOVIND’S ICE THEORY
One of the many reasons Hovind’s “magnetic ice” idea fails is because the region of space around the Earth is not cold enough to produce the Mysener Effect. The ice is either boiled by the sun or warmed by infrared radiation on the darkside of the Earth. Add into this, the Mysener Effect (should it happen) would cause the ice to accumulate around the equator not the poles as suggested by Hovind.
Diamagnetism also doesn’t work because you need some way of making the Earth’s magnetic field more than 300,000 times stronger. If ice in space could be pushed around by the magnetic field imagine what would happen to water on Earth.
Hovind’s theory is so internally flawed there is no hope it could be any reflection of reality. It is this type of comedic accumulation of errors which makes (or should that be ‘made’?) commenting on the claims of Kent Hovind so entertaining (as far as hobbies go).
Hi Gorge
I find your writing difficult to understand so fail to see your point; sorry.
Contrary to what you write I don’t take “influence from a 4th C. view” (I would have been slaughtered as a heretic) but from a modern view of what life was like in the first four hundred years of the first millenium. From personal experience, I don’t think most Christians have any idea of or the slightest interest in how the New Testament came to be fabricated. If they did, they would be shocked.
Hi again Samphire,
Paul Abrahamson gave a really good answer for the 2 different genealogies.Its the same answer I would have given. I also have some more to go with it.
God is the Master Teacher of teachers, & He designed the human brain. Until just recently I was a Head Mistress [School Principal] & a teacher. [I quit becaused we moved to another state.] Over here teachers are aware of different learding styles based on from what part of the brain the student operates from. The subject is very complex & there’s a lot to it, but I’ll explain it as simple as possible. Picture the brain divided into 4 sections. The 2 sections on one side could be labled as ‘middle left-brained’[concrete-sequential' or 'pratical learner'] & ‘far left-brained’['Abstract-Sequential' or 'Analytic Learner']. The sections on the other side could be labled ‘middle right-brained’['Abstract-Random/Simultanoeus' or 'Interactive Learner'] & ‘far right-brained’['Concrete-Random/Simultaneous' or 'Experiential Learner'].
A far left brain student is somebody who likes the academics [Math & Science in particular], & likes everything neat & orderly, & all the desks in rows & the teacher up front of the class room, & the room to be quiet with nobody talking but the teacher. The Gospel of Mathew keys in on this particular learning style.
A far right brained student would be just the opposite. A far right brained student is the non-stop talker who is always out of his seat, & he prefers the desks in random order & the teacher to be his buddy, & his favorite subjects generally are drama, art, physical education & music…He learns totally different than the far left brain student. He likes non stop action. The Gospel of Mark was written to reach him.
The middle left brained student prefers to view his teacher like a parent. The subjects he’s really good at are ‘History’ & ‘Social Sciences’. He wants exact directions, & he is very practical minded. The Gospel of John was written to reach him.
The middle right brained learner likes to brain storm with others. He prefers the desks to be arranged so that they facilitate communication [the desks arranged in a circle]. He loves ‘volumes of words’. He likes the whole language experience from books & movies & the radio. The Gospel of Luke reaches his particular learning style.
There’s a whole lot more to be said on the subject & you can research it out for your self. Gary Smalley has a book about it & so does Tim LaHay. Both are excellent.I’m sure that there’s volumes & volumes of material on the web about the subject. The point is, is that God saw to it that everybody could understand the Gospel.
I know God personally. You can’t convince me that He doesn’t exist because I know Him as a real Person. I’ve heard His voice, I’ve felt His presence, He’s answered my personal prayers over & over again, & He explains His word to me so that I can understand what He is talking about. You on the other hand don’t know Him. If you did, you wouldn’t be debating the rest of us. You have to have God’s Holy Spirit first, before you can understand the things He says. You can ask God anything you want. There’s nothing too hard for Him to answer. If you decide to talk to Him, you better have the right attitude & not be disrespectful; but you seem to be a very polite person, so I think you’d do just fine.
You can’t understand what Warocuya is saying because you don’t have God’s Holy Spirit dwelling in you.
What Warocuya said was awesome, & we would love to hear more of his insights into the scriptures.
Cheers!
The Welder’s Wife.
Hi, Welder’s Wife,
It’s nice to hear back from you. I didn’t respond to Paul’s comments because, nice chap though he is, his response was just typical traditional contentious Christian apologetics and is of no concern to me.
However, the reason I raised the subject in the first place is because this website is dedicated to biblical literalism and Luke does not state literally what Paul’s article says it does.
With respect to the alleged legal lineage of Matthew, if I, like Madonna, pop over to Africa and legally adopt an indigenous black baby, he is no more of my grandfather’s white lineage than he is a Welshman (a sub-species of the Uber-species Homo Britannicus).
(Wales didn’t do too well against Scotland yesterday in the rugby, by the way)
So much for Matthew. As for Luke, my copy of the KJV distinctly says (Luke 3:23) that Joseph was the son of Heli. Consequently, unless Joseph married his sister, the genealogies are not what they seem.
You cannot have it both ways. If you are a literalist either the Bible is literally true or it is not. I use the KH literality test on the two genealogies and find them wanting. It seems that if I do believe in the literal word of Matthew and Luke the logical conclusion is that Joseph had two fathers. Well, it doesn’t worry me if he did – I am just pointing out the inconsistency in the YECs’ argument.
I enjoyed your lecture on the brain; thanks, it was very interesting. You can probably tell that I had my entire right hemisphere removed at an early age. As for Warocuya’s tale, I just relied on what the KJV says rather than believe somebody who makes it up as they go along because it makes a nice story. If we all followed Waro’s path then we would never get your desks back into straight lines.
You say that you know God personally. You infer that I might try to tell you that God does not exist. Why would I? How could I possibly know or prove that something does not exist? However, I doubt that your statement that you know God personally has any real meaning – in a logical sense. To say that you have some image in your mind of what you believe God to be and with which you feel able to talk to – “Left-Brain to Right-Brain, come on back, ol’buddy etc” – is entirely feasible but you are not conversing backwards and forwards with the alleged Creation-Meister; Joan of Arc tried it and came to an illuminating conclusion. It simply is not possible. How do I know? Three planks to my argument: firstly, God is too big a concept for anybody to even guess at. Secondly, if you can converse backwards and forwards with God then you don’t need faith and that is anti-biblical. Thirdly, if you can multiplex with God using your human brain then you have invented a God Detector – a scientific piece of kit which you should be able to patent and make lots of money to give to the poor IRS. It should therefore be possible to set up a bio-engineered telephone hotline to God. You won’t need to have faith – just dial, ummm – anybody got the number? But there is no evidence that such a device is possible. Consequently, I suggest that what you have is a deep and transcendental relationship with yourself which you choose to call God.
My sister had a very real friend for many years and who I grew up with. I never met the friend because my sister would only talk to her when she was alone in her bedroom but I knew she existed because I could hear the one-way conversation droning on and on for hours on end. Remarkably, they both left home on the same day. My sister is definitely Right-Brained but completely sane (relatively speaking
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Welder’s wife, I have one question for you. If you had left your car in the supermarket car-park but had forgotten where and a guy with a left-hand brain told you he had seen it in space C454 following which two 20 year old right-brained fantasists dressed in identical shiny grey suits came up and told you that they had seen a couple of angels drive it up into the clouds would you walk straight home or first check space C454? I have written my prophecy of your answer on a piece of paper and sealed it in a brown envelope.
Please give my kind regards to the Welder and urge him that when he is working, as a matter of Health and Safety, to keep in mind the practical teachings of 1 Cor 13:12.
Kind regards,
Samphire
P.S. My wife wants us to go to a wedding in some God-forsaken place called Ohio this summer – have you heard of it? Personally, I’m not too keen. Is it safe and will I be able to get a decent cup of tea? Have the Irish immigrants come to a peaceful accommodation with the Shawnee? Is it worth the time and effort in trying to get past those extraordinarily friendly guys in US Customs at JFK? Will the pastor at the ceremony be packing heat? Should we bring our own heat for self-defence? All advice gratefully received.
Hi samphire,
Sorry you could not understand.Maybe the word ‘documentation’ instead of the word ‘veiw’ would of made more sence to you.Other than that you’ll just have to excuse the bad grammer.
I’l try again
you said
Eusebius, who was employed by Constantine (the Emperor who established Christianity as the state religion of the Roman Empire) and wrote an obsequious biography of that evil man, regarded the authenticity of Revelations to be entirely spurious
Why do you consider a 4th centuary document(written by someone employed by the jew hateing constantine) as useful and valid to add weight to your argument,and refuse to accept a well documented,selfproveing book called the bible?
The documents are both ancient and yet you will use the one to discredit the other.does not make sence.
I will get back to you about christian suffering it is firmly part of the Christian walk,I have not got the time just now.Thanks for replying.I hope that you start to read the bible)pray first that God through Christ Jesus will open the eyes of your understanding a good place to start is Luke or John
Brothers and sisters in Christ,
As citizens in the world but not of the world, we are not exempt from scrutiny by the world community we live in, whether from non-believers or believers. I frankly have seen some very good arguments that refute Mr. Hovind’s theory and in response these arguments have received ridicule and name-calling from Hovind supporters. I am alarmed at this behavior from the Christian community in trying to defend Mr. Hovind and his theory. Mockery and haughtiness will not win arguments and only serve to spread more heat than light. I don’t think this behavior gains respect from anyone and I can’t see that it respects our Lord.
Dear Samphire,
You wrote
“I know a lot of faithful Christians and none of them suffer persecution so your argument is falsified. The US is an overwhelmingly Christian nation – although doubtless you disagree with most of your fellow Christians individual beliefs – but I don’t see much persecution around the place.”
2 TIMOTHY 3V12 says-
“Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.”
JOHN 3V19-20 says-”
“And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. 20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.”
The answer is found in the scripture givern.(2 timothy 3v12)
A christian should not go looking to be a martor Or trouble just for the sake of it.But if a person really desires to live a Gody life in Christ Jesus theres no doubt ,be it by that persons church,or family or society they will from time to time suffer pesecution.We are the salt of the earth,that salt preserves,cleans but also STINGS.
I do not know your christian freinds,so I could not possibly comment on them personly.I can comment on what scripture says and also on todayschurch
It says in mark 7v6
This people honoureth me with their lips, but their heart is far from me.
Jesus says,
not everyone who call me Lord,Lord shall enter the kingdom of Heaven..but only they that do the will of the Father.
Salvation only comes by the way perscribed in the bible.Going to church,praying ,doing good deeds in themselves are not enough.The sin must be delt with through the blood of Christ.
A lot of professing Christians who are in churchs have never truely repented and been brokenhearted for their sins, and are still in darkness.Some professing Christians start of well but then through lusts or because life starts to get rough they turn back.
We also have an enemny who plants tares as it were in the wheat,in the form of false prophets,false teachers and leaders.Who led by satan gain prestige and money within church they decive and they themselves are deceived.Lovers of money and full of pride.and many more things.
Part of a Christian call is to tell the truth of Gods word,this can be very unpopular especally amoungst the religous.Most of the persecution meeted out on Gods People in the bible was done by the so called religious rulers.
Many reasons for this,but afew I can think of-
1 Hatered of God word
2,Shows up their evil deeds
3,Pride and self rightousness,..
,The fear of unrest and their loss of power.
5,The fact Satan hates anything which will threaten His foothold on their and societies life
Its not surpriseing then and fits in with scripture that John bunyon suffered at the hands of professing Christians.These people may fool man with act of pias but not God.
Man looks at the outer,God looks on the heart.
I suppose persicution started way back when Rightous abel was murdered by jealous cain and has continued right to this day.
Hebrews chapter 11 Says about the jewish prophets
,”who had trial of cruel mockings and scourgings, yea, moreover of bonds and imprisonment
37 They were stoned, they were sawn asunder, were tempted, were slain with the sword: they wandered about in sheepskins and goatskins; being destitute, afflicted, tormented;
38 (Of whom the world was not worthy:) they wandered in deserts, and in mountains, and in dens and caves of the earth”Nearly all of the percicution written here was carried out by people who professed to worship God.
We are told in-1 corith 10v11
“Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition”
Its true though that in the usa,uk,aussie and a few other so-called protestant countries,christians have enjoyed freedom from government persecution.
In a lot ofcases this has come at the price of the forefathers(dnt know what else to call ‘em)who suffered in their lifetime ,but produced much influence on the general masses.ie john wesley,j.bunyon and many more.The fact we have enjoyed a democracy for a long time too.
Though I think you’ll find persecution and a lessoning of freedoms is in the pipeline,especialy in your neck of the woods,as they say.
My whole purpose of this is to try and point you to the one I love,Jesus,who died for my sins that now I have enter into a relationship with God and been forgiven of my many sins.
Samphire,dont you realise that you will someday pass through the door of death?When you die you will have to face a moral Law that is far harsher but just as true as the law of graviety.
Have you kept Gods law,the ten commandments?have you ever told a lie?stolen?(obvesly no need to answer publicaly, just to yourself).The bible says all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God.
You need to repent before almighty God and put your faith in Christ.Then you will see the the self proving book called the bible come alive opening you eyes to its truth.
Just for your studies,I noticed that you were talking about the stars
.Did you know the bible says there are innumerable stars (jeremiah 33v22),that each star is differnet(1 corintians 15v41),that air has weight(job 28v25)
that blood is the source of life and health(leviticus 17v11)
Ocean floor contains deep valleys and mountains(2 samuel 22v16,Jonah2v6),
that the Ocean contain springs(job 38v16)
it says when dealing with disease hands should be washed under running water(leviticus 15v13)
,free float of earth in space(job 26v7),
the earth is a sphere(Isaiah 40v22)
Well I’ve jibba jabbad enough ,
Unless you really are seeking to know God Im gonner end the dialog now,(your probably relived to know,thats ofcoarse presumeing youve read all this)
God bless you and thanks for your veiws,I can appreciate you have put alot of thought into your belifs.
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Hi Gore,
And God bless you too,
Samphire
Hey Samphire,
you’re a crack-up! [That's American for you're hilarious!]. In this country most people come from an assortment of nationalities [their ancestors came from a lot of different places] so that gives us a larger gene pool to work from. In my opinion a dog of mixed breed is a far better dog than a pure bred… That’s why you guys all play rugby & beat each other up…It’s ’cause ya all come form a limited gene pool on a little tiny island & there’s something missing!![The birds pecked the moths off the trees a looong time ago, & only the sinister ones managed to hide out & survive.] American Football is superior by far ’cause we don’t have a limited gene pool. Do you have any idea how small England is? England is so small, Montana [that's a state in the USA] could swallow it up! I’m telling you, this ‘Rugby’ thing is very primitive! You guys haven’t even evolved yet into real football players!! You’re still a bunch of animals! There’s just no hope for you guys over your rugby thing! There’s just not enough time………. All we can do is shake our heads & watch as you guys duke it out among your tribes. And there’s one more thing… pure bred dogs have the most outrageous attitudes,[& the smaller they are, the more outrageous the attitude!!] but Canardlys [That's a definition for a mixed breed dog & it means "Can-hardly-tell-what-it-is!" ] are just all around good dogs that are better built, & they’re healthier with a lot less medical problems, & a lot less ‘personality’ problems.
Smile!
Ok, in answer to your questions, we’ll start with Luke. Luke is Mary’s genealogy, & Joseph’s father-in-law is not the only father-in-law mentioned in that passage. Cainan whose son-in-law is Shelah, is also mentioned. Scripture interprets scripture, & it says the ages of these guys when their sons were born in Genesis 11:10-14, so Canaan has to be a father-in-law. Luke is writing to Gentiles & some of them were descendents of the old Hittite Kingdom [They were descendents of Cainan & they wanted to know how they fit in. See Genesis 10:15 & 23:3 & 10. [The Irish did the same thing with their genealogies...when people first wrote down theirs, they wanted to know how they fit in with the Table of Nations, so whoever wrote down the genealogies for the Irish took them right back to where their ancestors were named in the scriptures.] & the thing that is so absolutely profound is that God sends the first missionaries to the descendents of Canaan. God could have sent Paul anywhere, but He chose them. God’s love is just absolutely amazing! Half of the churches mentioned in Rev 2 & 3 were located in old Hittite territory. & if you go back to Genesis 9:25 where it says in reference to Canaan, “A servant of servants he shall be to his brothers”, it’s fulfilled in Revelation 2 & 3, because the brethern mentioned in those two chapters are still serving us through what is said about them.
It sounds like you had an interesting childhood! And yes I do know God personally, & no, I’m not from the loony bin. Jesus says in John 14:21 “He who has My commandments & keeps them, he it is who loves Me; & he who loves Me shall be loved by My Father, & I will love him, & will disclose Myself to him.” In verse 23 Jesus says, “If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word; & My Father will love him, & We will come to him, & make Our abode with him.” Samphire, yes indeed the Highest Heavens cannot contain God, but because of that very fact, He also has the ability to become a Man & die for our sins..which he did. He did it because of His love & mercy. He created mankind with the ability to interact with Him. It’s His desire to interact with people. You have to take God at His word & put your trust in what He says.
I’ve never been to Ohio, but I don’t think it’s a God-forsaken place as they have a great Creation Science Ministry in Ohio! I don’t know about the tea thing. Maybe there’s a ‘Star Bucks’ or a ‘City Brew’ or something similar. That time of year you’ll probably have an easier time finding ‘Iced Tea’. It can be pretty potent, so you might want to ask for a glass of ice water to go with it. I live where the mountains were formed at the end of Noah’s Flood. All around the town where I live are rocks that contain fossilized water ripple marks. There’s even huge upright slabs of them exposed along the road as one enters town from the NW entrance. Have you ever heard of the Hydroplate Theory? [www.creationscience.com] Roughly, about four to six thousand years ago the North Pole was located about where the Gobi Desert is now in Western China, & the South Pole was located about where the Chilean Rise is now in the Pacific Ocean off the coast of Chile. The Equator was in a different location. Part of the old Equator would have run along where the boarder is now between Canada & the USA, favoring more the Canadian side. All across the globe the amount of land above sea level was far greater & it all connected along the seam known as the Mid Oceanic Ridge that encircles the globe. Underneath the global land mass there was a half mile deep ocean of water that encircled the globe. The land mass itself consisted of granite roughly ten miles deep. The water below the land mass was sealed off from the surface water. The surface water was contained in shallow seas & lakes. The two different areas of water didn’t intermingle. The water below the land mass was under intense pressure because of the weight of the ten miles of granite above it. The water under the land mass gradually heated up, & as it did so it expanded. It eventually got to the point where the pressure was so great that a hair line crack suddenly formed in the granite above & it encircled the globe in about 2 hours, all along where the Mid Oceanic Ridge is now. Then, because of the weight of the ten mile thick granite land mass resting above the under-continent ocean, the water went shooting up out of this crack with intense pressure. As it shot out of the crack, it continually eroded the sides of the crack. The crack continued to widen. It is estimated that the muddy water eventually shot up into the air to a height of 20 miles. In some places it came back down as frozen muddy ice hail, in mega amounts!! As it came back down, it pulled the extremely cold temperatures of outer space with it. [That's why we find frozen critters in the far North, like Camels & Mammoths who sometimes still have unchewed food in their mouths & undigested food in their stomachs. They were frozen almost instantly!]. In other places it came back down as muddy rain. It also overflowed the crack, completely flooding the entire global slab of granite, because there were no high mountains until later. In the mean time, the crack continued to widen… When it got to a certain width, the floor of the underground lake, because of no longer having the weight of ten miles of granite above it, began to buckle upwards forming the Mid Oceanic Ridge. In turn, the part of the granite slab that was still above it, when it got to a certain point, slid down from it [like somebody on a water slide]. Because of the water that was still underneath the granite slab, the whole slab[continent] continued to travel at about 45 miles per hour until it met resistance, & then it buckled up into mountains. This explains why all the mountain chains around the globe are parallel with the Mid Oceanic Ridge. The floor of the under-continent ocean began to buckle up first in the Atlantic Ocean. This in turn caused the floor of the under-continent ocean on the opposite side of the globe to suck inwards in order to compensate for the floor on the Atlantic side pushing outward. [The opposite side
of the globe is the area of the Western Pacific Ocean.] In turn, the granite slab[continent] above it also sank downwards.[If you view a world map that includes the satellite images of the ocean floors, you should take note that the trenches in the Western Pacific follow the out line of the Mid Oceanic Ridge in the Atlantic Ocean.] All the volcanic activity in the Western Pacific Ocean is a result of the intense friction of the shifting of the basalt floor of the under-continent ocean & the heat generated when the granite slab sunk. It’s still cooling down!
As I said before, the North Pole was located about where the Gobi Desert is in Western China. When the Himalayan Mountains were formed, that area became the heaviest part of the earth. As a result, the earth began to roll straight towards the equator until it met its equilibrium. As it rolled, the earth ripped in a straight line, & that crack filled up with molten basalt forming the Ninety East Ridge in the Indian Ocean. [This is why tropical fossils of both plants & animals are found in both the North & South Polar Regions of the earth.]
Because the Mid Oceanic Ridge became molten as the basalt floor rose upwards, it heated up the ocean water all over the globe. In turn the water evaporated, & came back down as mega snow fall forming massive ice sheets across the Northern Hemisphere. The snow didn’t melt in the summer time because of the cloud cover caused by the steam. Instead, the snow continued to accumulate year after year until the Mid Oceanic Ridge cooled down. Then the ice gradually melted. Another thing that happened, was that when the traveling granite slabs met resistance & buckled into mountains, all the valleys were filled to the brim with water. This occurred on a global scale, & in turn was one of the reasons why the ocean levels were 300 feet [or more] lower. [The other reasons were that the water was tied up in massive ice sheets in the North; & the mountains hadn't reached isostatic equilibrium yet, so the ocean floors were lower.] Because the ocean water levels were lower, animals & people were then able to migrate all over the globe. this occurred after the global flood, after the animals & people left the ark & began to multiply. [And another thing: Before the Flood there were no randomly scattered rocks all over the globe. If you dug into the top soil at that time, you wouldn't have come across rocks. It would have been pure soil.] You shouldn’t have any problems comphrehending this since you claim to be a left brained soul, but it is better if you go to Dr Walt Brown’s web site & read the online information. There’s all kinds of wonderful pictures & illustrations that explain it in great detail. If you are going to come over to the USA you ought to study up on this stuff before you get here. It would make your trip a lot more interesting! You should also check into Steve Austin’s research into Mount Saint Helens [The volcano in Washington that blew up in the early 1980's. It left over 600 layers of asorted layers in nine & a half hours. When I was in school my teachers told me that each layer took millions of years to form, but God used Mount Saint Helens to blow that theory clean away!!]
Cheers again!
The Welder’s Wife
Mr. Hovind’s theory is certainly interesting, but like the part of the Christian church that overly concentrates on end-time prophecies, the age of the earth is not a hill that I am convinced we should fight and die on. I see the Apostles, particularly Paul, concentrating on how to be ambassadors for Christ Jesus here and now. We should be learning how to engage the world that we have been born into, how to meet people where they are and help them understand their faulty conclusions through careful and educated dialog and questions.
There are other sources you might explore for understanding the correspondence of science and faith, the existence of God through science. Science is not inherently evil; it can actually be a very good friend to the Christian who is careful to study and learn. I would invite the supporters of Mr. Hovind to study what other brothers and sisters in the Kingdom have presented, people who are well qualified in their fields of science, physics, philosophy; whose degrees are not questionable, and who have also very successfully engaged the world. You might look up the works of Hugh Ross, Michael Behe, William Lane Craig, Norman Geisler, Hank Hanegraaff, J.P. Moreland, Francis Schaeffer. I’d invite you also to explore the thinking presented at Creation Research Institute (equip.org), and Reasons to Believe (reasons.org).
Hi Welders Wife,
Thanks for reply. I am not sure that I should be writing to you on Valentine’s day – my wife might get jealous.
As for the depth of our gene pool, I live in a medium-sized traditional English village. We have a Turkish Restaurant, a Nepalese restaurant, a Chinese Restaurant, a Sikh optician, a Chinese bone cruncher and a French baker. My newspaper is delivered from a shop owned by an Indian or Pakistani gentleman. Our gardener is Italian, my neighbour is Chinese. Apart from which, unfortunately, there are also the usual suspects, Welsh, Irish and Scottish. So we are not short of genes.
There used to be a Jewish lawyer as well until recently but he had to rush back to Israel to fulfil a prophecy. He was very happy here and didn’t want to move so he is quite upset with you fundamentalists.
I haven’t come across any Mexicans but perhaps they find the pace of life here too slow.
As for animals, next door we have a Belgium dog, across the lane they are Welsh; ours is German but small. He is a daft as rags – point him in one direction and he runs off in the other. I call him Kent. Again, quite a rich gene pool for such a small place. I like your Canardlys, though. It is quite true that the thoroughbreds seem to spend most of their time “under the vet”. I have a theory that the rush hour round here is caused by women in their 4 x 4s taking their labradors to have their nails manicured and their displaced hips re-inserted in the appropriate sockets.
I’m afraid that I don’t agree with you about American Football. Rugby’s gene pool spreads from Scotland in the northern hemisphere to New Zealand in the southern. From the Pacific Islands in the east to South America in the west. So how is it that only American teams ever seem to show up for the Superbowl?
And another thing; American Football is so painfully slow. Every couple of minutes it stops for a referee(?) to pick up his poorly-secured hanky (why are those guys all so petulant?) while both teams form a circle to discuss the finer points of scary make-up, and the supporters buy another hamburger. And what are those silly girls all about?
In rugby, the lads play 40 minutes non-stop (except to have stitches inserted in their eyeballs to stem the blood), pop off to the dressing roomfor 15 minutes at half time for a small cup of China tea and some cucumber sandwiches and to write postcards to their mothers while they have the odd limb encased in plaster and then, those who can still crawl, come out to play another non-stop 40 minutes. After the game they push their noses back in place and go off ballroom dancing.
I’m not smiling I’m serious!
Your genealogy is all very interesting but I don’t buy it, sorry. Just like my village but not so much as mongrel America (no offence) the population of the Middle East was a melting pot of various religious traditions but all built around some variety of the Osiris/Dionysus Mystery religion. Jesus was only one in a long line of saviour mangods and the believers had the same “born again” redemptive religious experience as Christians claim for themselves today. I’m quite happy with that. As Paul makes clear, there were as many different sects of the new religion as there were churches and he had to struggle to bring them all together under a single theology. In that, he ultimately failed.
Thanks for the info on Ohio. We received some photos from our friend over there yesterday. They show a frozen lake. What’s on Earth’s happening? The Polar ice caps are melting but Ohio is still in the ice age.
Yes, I know of the “Hydroplate Theory” – or at least I thought I did until I read on then I realised I didn’t. In fact, it’s an hypothesis as there is no evidence whatsoever to support it just as there was no water to support the plates. I really can recommend the advantages of a good scientific education, especially to the author of the “theory”.
You can try a little experiment for yourself. Take a fresh egg and put a pin hole in the shell very carefully. Then, equally carefully squeeze the egg as firmly but as uniformly as you can. What comes out? My theory is that nothing will come out because the shell is very strong in compression – just like a granite shell would be.
Also, water is virtually incompressible. Drill a small theoretical hole in your theoretical granite shell and very little will come out.
If, as you say, the water expanded under heat then it would expand by some 4.3% between freezing and boiling. Contained within a strongly tensile shell it could reach temperatures above boiling but, unfortunately for your theory, granite is extremely weak under tension and the expanding water would shatter the shell long before it got anywhere near boiling. The water would then just go – pufff – and start to seep out from below the shell. It would not come out at vast rock-eroding speeds. Indeed, by my rough calculations, given an Earth circumference of 40 x 10^9 millimetres it would take an imperceptible rise in water temperature (something of the order of 40 x 10^ -7 degrees centigrade – less than one millionth of a degree) to cause your hairline crack of one millimetre in the granite shell.
Also, remember, in your theory the water would have to exactly fit the available volume below the granite – exact to the drop. Now that would have been a good trick.
Please would you cite your authority relating to camels being found in the frozen north as I have not come across it.
You say “This explains why all the mountain chains around the globe are parallel with the Mid Oceanic Ridge. ” What about the Pyrenees, The Atlas, the Alps and the Himalayas? Don’t they all pretty much run east-west?
No, Welders Wife. I am afraid the Hydroplate “theory” is utter junk from beginning to end for reasons which it would take me a month to cut and paste. But, fear not, all is not lost; we have plate tectonics theory which is actually based upon a vast amount of observational evidence and is predictive. Indeed, the whole idea of plate tectonics came about from a very simple everyday observation – a line of mussels like a tide mark some six feet or so above sea level on the cliff faces of the western Canadian seaboard. How did they get there? Either the sea must have shrunk or the rock must have lifted. The tidemark handn’t been there some years earlier but only appeared after an earthquake. The sea level hadn’t dropped elsewhere so the rock must have been uplifted – but how? From that simple observation by a scientist (possibly a creationist but who knows?) the hypothesis was developed and it has subsequently been backed up by a huge inter-disciplinary wealth of information such that it is now a fully-fledged scientific theory – it completely explains the observations without having to invent a whole new impossible geology. And it doesn’t require the Earth to flip on its axis. We know it didn’t from astronomical and geophysical records. Also, have you ever played with a gyroscope?
I would like to visit Mount St Helens but will not have the time. Just because there was a catastrophe which quickly deposited many layers in a short time doesn’t mean that most sedimentary strata were laid down under such conditions. Indeed, you have given evidence in your post of it; fossilized water ripples can only form when water is rippling backwards and forwards under calm and non-catastrophic conditions as on the beach at the seaside. You shouldn’t believe the creationist idiots without first reading more mainstream authors and learning some good science. Remember, the majority of sedimentary strata was not formed by mountains blowing up. And your teacher was quite right in the main.
You’d be very welcome to come over here to England and I will have great pleasure showing you the White Cliffs of Dover for which Noah’s Flood has no explanation but real science does. Unfortunately, you won’t be allowed to bring your Canardly with you – because of the Germ Theory of Disease the authorities won’t allow him through Customs in case he has rabies.
Bye
Samphire
Hi Again Samphire!
I have no idea what those silly girls are all about. You’ll have to ask somebody else. But you’ve got to admit that it takes a lot of talent to run around a football field with all that armor on. It takes years of training. & as for your Rugby.. Do they burp cucumbers for the last 40 minutes of their game? Do they wear kilts when they go ballroom dancing? Guys in kilts are fun to watch because they walk like ducks.
Back to the Hydroplate Theory: The Mid-Ocean Ridge intersects in the Indian Ocean. The research at this point indicates that it continues up the Gulf of Aden & through the Red Sea & up the Boot of Italy. The Continent of Africa went right over the top of it when it was in transit. The same thing happened in the Pacific Ocean. The North American Continent went over the top of the Mid Ocean Ridge. It runs under the West Coast. If you look at a really good world map that shows the details of the ocean floor, its real obvious. You can see how the Hydroplate Theory works.
All your other questions including the Dover Cliffs & the Camels are explained on the website http://www.creationscience.com Walt Brown Ph.D continually updates the website as more research comes in.
I learned the Theory of Continental Drift & Plate Tectonics first, & afterwards learned the Hydroplate Theory. The Hydroplate Theory makes more sense & fits the scientific evidence far better.
Cheers!
The Welder’s Wife
“Underneath the global land mass there was a half mile deep ocean of water that encircled the globe. The land mass itself consisted of granite roughly ten miles deep. The water below the land mass was sealed off from the surface water. [...] The water below the land mass was under intense pressure because of the weight of the ten miles of granite above it.”
Sorry, that can’t physcially work. Rock is denser than water hence won’t float on a water layer. The only way a layer of rock could be held above water would be if the rock had its own structural integrity. ie a solid bubble. The rock layer must also be globally impermeable, that is, not a single crack anywhere (quite a feat) Because the bubble is solid it therefor can not provide an compression onto the underlying water.
Hi Welder’s Wife,
Did the Welde remember your chocolates yesterday?
I have replied to your last post but acidentally put it in the later blog “Update from Bunk Three”. It said:
Hi, Welder’s Wife
I clicked on your hydroplate link and then went straight on to ex-paratrooper Walt Brown’s meteorite theory at http://www.creationscience.com/onlinebook/Asteroids2.html#wp1020216 .
He says that water fountains during the Flood blasted granite boulders into space where they now circle the sun in the asteroid belt.
When I read that I went and sat in the bath and contemplated what mechanism would be necessary to accomplish this. And I got stuck – not in the bath but with the theory.
The problem is that water is an (almost) incompressible fluid. As I understand it and please correct me if I am wrong one cannot “push” water to “push” water in front of it faster than a shock wave can propagate itself through the body of the water. Now the maximum speed for a shock wave in water is no more than 1600 metres per second. But the velocity an object has to achieve to escape the Earth’s gravity is over 11,000 metres a second – and this does not include for the extra velocity which would be needed to overcome drag caused by the atmosphere.
So how can an incompressible substance which is travelling at only a relatively slow speed impart a much higher speed to an inelastic and brittle body such as a lump of granite?
Far from reaching escape velocity and sailing onto the asteroid belt, using Newton’s equations of motion I calculate that a granite boulder could reach an altitude no higher than 130 kilometres (excluding any consideration for drag) before falling back to Earth – a long way short of the 80,000 kilometres it would have to travel to escape the Earth’s gravitational field and then to meander on slowly a further 200,000,000 kilometres to meet its lonely friends in the asteroid belt.
You say that you have studied both the hydroplate theory as well as plate techtonic theory so you should be able to come up with the answer.
Of course, it is entirely possible that the answer is that good ol’ Walt was in the habit of jumping out of aeroplanes without wearing his helmet
Hi all!
Mr Hovind does a fine job educating the evolutionists and has done a fine job researching all the wonderful stuff he teaches in his presentations (and i thank you for it all!), but i dont think it is the only cause of his pursecution. He also teachs the onset of this New World Order and the oppression it will bring and how they can accomplish it – stuff they dont want us to know.
here is a link to a .torrent site that has a library of stuff about a facility that is designed to alter the weather and more (the first video is of a book that was meantioned in hovind’s lecture). you need a torrent program like Azureus (and there are others). you could search for the names of the videos in google video, but i have found that the videos from google are quite large compared to the torrent: (google video: 928Mb, torrent: 247Mb)
These are documentaries and not christian content. Click on the green link (not in english) with the green arrows beside it this will bring up a “save as…” dialog requesting where you want to save the .Torrent file.
http://thepiratebay.org/details.php?id=3492434
If you only want the first file, spefify that you dont want theother stuff as the whole lot is over 4 GIGs.
as Kent said, if it causes you to loose sleep, read the psalms.
Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing? The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the LORD, and against his anointed, [saying,] Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from
us. He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: the Lord shall have them in derision.
Charlie.
Dear brothers and sisters in Jesus Christ,
I want you to know that I will pray for you.
That God may help in this situation.
That you may feel God’s Love.
God Bless You!
Your brother from The Netherlands (Aalten),
Joost Aalbers
Dear Hovind Family,
My deepest sympathy goes out to you, and my heart is burdoned in prayer for you. I would like to ask all to not only pray, but right your congressmen and Senators, and State Represenatives in objection to the injustice that has been done to the Hovinds. Everyone can make a differance if they will make a committment to get off the sidelines and get active.
I have been righting and calling Christian radio and tv stations, news stations, etc. If enough people make a voice against this, they will be compelled to do something, eveyone call these stations and politicians, it just takes a little of your time, would you not want someone to stand with you and help you in your time of need? We may be the next one, who is going to take a stand to stop these people?
And for the one who listed the U.S Codes, you do error not knowing the deceptive language of the Government and IRS. It says, it IMPOSES ON THE TAXABLE INCOME OF every individual who is married or single who MAKES A SINGLE RETURN JOINTLY, AND THEN STATES THE SAME FOR HEADOF HOUSEHOLDS, Married filing seperate AND INDIVIDUALS, etc.
The key words here is TAXABLE INCOME, AND WHO MAKES A RETURN. There is no law that that says indviduals who earn income has to pay taxes, ordinary people outside of the Federal governent and employment, does not have a legal taxable income, we are considered non-taxpayers, until we put ourselves into their system by agreeing to become slaves to their system, because of fear of threats. We do not understand our legal rights, and because of this they get away with whatever they want to do, nor do they abide or uphold their own laws. Want more info? Check out the truth about the Federal Reserve.
http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode26/usc_sec_26_00000001—-000-.html