“Science will not find all the answers…”

Who is the “Science” person you speak of?

In other words, do you see your personification of what is a branch of study, not of man-made things, but of things that exist (being gentle not to force the origins question)…

“Religion has its own place outside of science and it should be left there.”

“Religion”. Labels Samphire. So many labels we got all over the place.

Let’s define this one, because I think I see what you mean.

Religion: A man-made notion of how the universe came to be and why.

I would agree at least partially with you given the above. And I’d also say that anyone wanting anything to do with “Religion” is a poor sap. Pathetic. Yet someone I’d love dearly to meet, because I can be fairly confident that they are searching for answers.

Incredibly enough at the very same time there are those steeped in a religion who are not searching. They are protecting their “make-believe” world, or their loyalty to what is, after all, their man-made culture and tradition…

Culture is cool. I love different culture, and respect it highly.

But religion is not a nationality, and I want absolutely NOTHING to do with a fantasy world of make believe.

I want truth.

And the truth is, you cannot separate science from true religion. Let’s now redefine religion to be what it meant thousands of years ago, study of and service to God.

God who created everything, therefore includes “science”.

I don’t want to know any other “god” than that One!

And, I believe that God is quite able to reach through to those created in His image, and give them the ability to know Him! And not only that, but that He would want to.

And what better than a nicely packaged item where no other person is required to be depended on, but only it on its own, and can be “consumed” on a personal level.

Never would I have believed that, until fairly recently when I simply asked the unknown… are you there? I will not give up until I have thought it through quite sternly, with a very open mind, and all systems aware of possible corruption from the loony fringe.

My life is His – Jesus Christ. That’s just a label – but look beyond the covers – He created science!

Religion? Ha.

Peace bro.

J

The content of your post is somewhat obscure but, if I understand it correctly, you seem to miss the point.

Science will not find all the answers, not even to its own questions. Religion has its own place outside of science and it should be left there.

Science does not disprove religion – only some of its dogma. Religion does not disprove science, even its dogma.

In the second paragraph you seem to promise a definition of what life is, but nowhere in the article does any such definition seem to emerge.

You tell us that plants have neither the breath of life nor blood, but there are animals that dont possess either of these qualities, and if I am not mistaken only Adam was given the breath of life.

Another point I would like clarified is this, you say “the life is in the blood”, so why then do people and animals die when there is still blood in their bodies?

Also your statement “No life forms come forth out of the earth. Animals always come from parents of the same kind.”, you seem to be ignoring the fact that some animals reproduce asexually and also the Genesis verses 1:24 and 2:7.

I do hope you can personally clear up these matters and send me your response at your earliest convenience.

balfres@hotmail.com

Some steps will make us easily declare, “Well there it is, obviously that’s how that works and so there’s our natural explanation…”.

Some steps will make us scratch our heads saying, “I see why those atoms and molecules are attracted like that, and so that leads to certain combinations, and those amino acids tending to form these proteins, and why are they folding like that there, and why the heck is that protein manufacturing more of those proteins, but I see how, and…”.

We’ve got fantastic names. Great labels. Magnetism, gravity, lightwaves, neutrons, protons, quarks, electrons, black holes, ACTG, RNA, DNA, photons….

Science is great at naming and labeling and explaining processes. And it will continue.

You won’t get all the answers before your ticker stops ticking… You won’t know. So go out and take a walk, look around, and drop a few hints to that unknown that it sure would be posh if “it” could let you know before you’re worm food if “it” really made the universe or if “it” is nothing and thanks for the trip.

And I’m glad if you’re not lukewarm Samphy… better to be cold… Assuming “we’re” the hot ones.

I would like to apologise for the way I came accross in my previous post, you are right, I did seem very dogmatic and arrogant in how I presented my post. This was honestly not my intention. I can see I offended you and I sincerely apologise.

I intend on spending a bit of time reviewing what you have posted regarding the rapture, and will post my views re: the rapture, including scripture to back it up. I am also aware of the prophets Daniel, John and other prophesies, visions and dreams re: the time of the end. I would consider myself fairly intermediate in terms of scripture that speak of the end of this era.

Also Endtimes, you really don’t need to remind me about the white throne judgement, I know I will have to stand in front of our Lord and give account for every idle word spoken, as will you and everyone else. But do remember this, Satan is the accuser of the saints, it is he that puts despair, anger & hate in the hearts of men for their sins. He would like nothing better then to be able to condemn us all to hell for even the slightest thing we have ever done wrong, but, the blood of Jesus Christ has wiped away our sins, we have been officially pardoned for our wrong doings by the ultimate sacrifise, our Lord and saviour on that rugged cross.

It reminds me of an old Johnny Cash song that I really love and cherish. Its called “I was there when it happened” (please dont edit out paul! ) it goes like this….

There are some people, who say we cannot tell,
Whether we are saved or, whether all is well;
They say we only can hope and, trust that it is so,
But I was there when it happened and so I guess I ought to know.

Chorus:

Yes, I know when Jesus saved me (yes, He saved my soul),
The very moment He forgave me (yes, He made me whole);
He took away my heavy burden (yes, He took my sin and),
And He gave me peace within (gave me peace within).
Satan can’t make me doubt it (he can’t make me doubt it),
It’s real and I’m gonna shout it (I’m gonna shout it);
‘Cause I was there when it happened (oh, my Lord),
and I guess I ought to know (yes, I ought to know).

Now, I don’t care who tells me, salvation is not real,
Though the world may argue, that we cannot feel;
The heavy burdens lifted and the vile sins go,
But I was there when it happened and so I guess I ought to know.

Please dont ever try to make me or anyone else feel bad for their sins ever again Endtimes, I’m not saying you should point out things that are wrong, but dont try to make people feel bad about it, Satan does a good job of that as it is.

Untill next time, God bless and keep you.

Sam.

You said “Samphire: Unfortunately I have not had 2000 years to “get my story straight” I have only had a short 25 years in this world to make my mind up about certain factors in life. I have found, through experience, that the Bible (KJV) is an absolutely astounding and brilliant guide to life, truth and love. It is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path.”

I wasn’t suggesting that you are older than EndTimes just that your tribe should have been able to sort out a relatively simple timeline by now. The fact that it hasn’t indicates that it cannot be that important a factor in salvation – whatever EndTimes says about 1 Thess 5 – or are there further hoops a Christian has to jump through which weren’t mentioned by Jesus in order to get passed the Pearly Gates?

I can see why Richard Dawkins doesn’t consider Theology to be science.

Kind regards

Samphire

Much Love Brother,

xchamp

First of all I would like to apologise to everyone for being a little bit self righteous and hypocritical in my previous posts by calling people who believe in the pre-tribulation rapture, “selfish and small minded”. I’m truly sorry. The Lord has showed me I shouldn’t speak like this of my Christian brethren or of any man, as I should not judge, unless I want to be judged.

However, this still does not change my mind however on the specifics of the rapture. xchampion91: I would love to discuss my point of view with you in love and understanding, and would also love to listen to your side of the coin. I will post a specific blog on my opinion and understanding about the rapture, including reference from scripture etc, later when I get time.

Samphire: Unfortunately I have not had 2000 years to “get my story straight” I have only had a short 25 years in this world to make my mind up about certain factors in life. I have found, through experience, that the Bible (KJV) is an absolutely astounding and brilliant guide to life, truth and love. It is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path.

Like Kent Hovind says, and I would agree with him, Bible = Basic instructions before leaving earth. I honestly believe this was the best way we could grasp and understand Gods message and the whole concept, relayed to us without direct interference, (like appearing in the sky saying “I am God, obey me!!!”) but that’s a whole other topic.

The disagreements and arguments a lot of Christians face regarding certain doctrines does grieve my heart. Yes, it would be excellent if all saw eye to eye, and agreed on doctrine, interpretation etc, but unfortunately, Satan has been working away behind the scenes in the lives of men to corrupt Gods incorruptible word, which IS indeed incorruptible in its true sense, but our mortal understanding is not.

On the same note I think man has a knack of thinking HE knows better than the next man, and “my understanding” is better than yours, type reasoning (pride). This can happen in ANY faith, science, or doctrine, so it is inevitable in an imperfect world, for what is perfect to be corrupted in man eyes and ways. That is why Jesus died for us on that cross, because he knows we can never be perfect in this life, its impossible as we are born into sin, God knew someone needed to pay for that sin and our reconciliation and made the necessary arrangements for this. Ever watched Narnia: The Lion the Witch and the Wardrobe?

Samphire: You made an excellent point about us being saved. Yes we are my friend, saved from ourselves, saved from Satan’s clutches, saved from hell. I have hope for EVERYONE in this world, past, present and future for salvation, as the blood of Jesus Christ was sacrificed for YOU and ME – EVERYONE. Not just for the Jews, not just for a certain brand of people, but for ALL.

Romans 3:22-24: Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto ALL and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:

For ALL have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:

Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord

John 3:16-17: For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

Praise the Lord of Lords! King of Kings! The #1 head honcho! He loves us all intimately.

I would like to say a prayer specifically for Samphire.

Dear Lord, I come before you today in prayer. I ask that you can show our friend Samphire the spiritual light. Please dear Jesus, open his eyes to your free gift of salvation through faith and grace, please make it known to him your endless unconditional love. Please almighty God, help, guide and show Samphire his way in this life as you have so lovingly and carefully with me. And most of all dear Lord, not my will but yours be done on earth as it is in heaven. In Jesus name, Amen.

Samphire: you are loved so much more than you could possibly imagine.

All my love, prayers and kind regards,

Sam.

I would simply like to remind you of where this conversation started, with you dogmatically stating that Pre-Trib believers are “decieved.” Now in further continuence of this converstation, you have not offered any proof for your dogmatic statement and you feel that my only response to you is to mock you. Sorry, but I am only interested in some further evidence from the Scriptures in suport of your dogmatic statement. I will be eagerly looking forward to you simply looking at the Scriptures that I gave for you to consider and look indeed how the signs for Israel include the moon and sun turning blood red in the time of the end before the second coming. There are several OT prophets who spoke of the end times battle for Israel with this sign of the “Second Coming” which is for Israel alone, and not for the church. That would be a short and profitable study for you to engage in.

I would further remind you that it is not the authorities on the Pre, Post, Mid, Pre-wrath or any other combination of interpretations of the Rapture that will be present with you on the day that you stand before your Lord and give an account for everything that you have done in your body whether good or bad. I Thessalonians 5:21 holds you personally responsible for proving all things and holding fast that which is good. If you believe that you have already accomplished this task in regards to the Rapture, then that is an issue between you and your Maker, not me.

As for me, I would rather get back to the issue of creation and evolution which is what I thought was the forum for this blog.

In kind regards, EndTimes.

I would have thought that 2,000 years would be more than sufficient to allow you guys to get your story straight. All this navel gazing and no further forward. Do yourselves a favour and chuck it into the bin with our phlogiston.

Why does it matter, any how? Either way, you are still saved.

While you continue to scrap it out I shall proceed to order the “No barbecue” notices just to be on the safe side.