http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=56855

May the Lord use this to bring the Hovind family together and not let it be a wedge that brings separation and disunity.

Luv n hugzzz, your sister in Christ!

Samarra

God bless!
P.S. eat the meat spit out the bones

God bless! love the three crosses

I am praying and trying to read it and understand it. As Hovind often said, “I’d rather you read the NIV than Playboy” so I don’t necassarily think it is bad to read a Bible that is not King James as long as you agree on the essentials (Deity of Christ, Trinity, Salvation, etc.). But I do think that the serious Bible student should use the King James (which I do on some key verses). Does anyone recommend some books or literature that will help to understand the KJV? I know I have seen them. Gail Riplinger has some books on the topic…not sure if any of them help to read it. In “New Age Versions” Appendix C she has a chapter called “how to understand the King James Bible”. It was not of specific help, mostly it was Bible verses that show that you need to humble yourself to God, pray and meditate. All good, but I am looking for something (preferably in book form) that has a list of the words not commonly used with their definitions and some other material that helps you to read and understand it.

So as I said before, I do believe the KJV is the ultimate authority for the english speaking person. But I think the fact that Riplinger has a chapter devoted to “how to understand the KJV” drives home my point.

QUOTE BY THE EDITOR: What scientists believe and what the science shows are sometimes at odds. (Remember Galileo, an example of scientists being wrong for over 1,000 years!) END QUOTE

END QUOTE: And it most certainly is NOT based on science. Otherwise they’d be the first to want textbooks with evolutionary pseudo-science corrected. They don’t. (See Dr. Hovind’s Seminar #4, “Lies in the Textbooks” http://shopping.drdino.com/view_item.php?id=443 ) Most evolutionists put their religion ahead of science. P.A. ] END QUOTE

You would have us believe that science is religion, and religion is science. Good luck with your re-defining of words.

btodd

[EDITOR’S NOTE: In showing evolution to be religious, I am standing against “science, falsely so-called” but not at all against real science. I love science. And like Galileo, I stand against the consensus of unscientific scientists who are wallowing in their vain traditions and peer-pressure/peer-review hollow beliefs that they just must be right. Pasteur - mocked by scientists. Einstein - also insulted for challenging quantum mechanics with his relativity notions. The consensus of scientists is often wrong. It is up to us scientifically thinking persons to correct them once again regarding the religion of evolution - a non-testable-repeatable belief system that defies science and that hides from our Maker. P.A.

1 Timothy 6:20 “O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called.” ]

Since Galileo keeps coming up, I thought everyone would be interested in reading these two pages of many that are out there on the same subject. Please read them, don’t just skim them, read them and then let you opinion be known. They are written by scientists even with those letters, “PhD” behind the name.

http://www.refcm.org/RICDiscussions/Science-Scripture/geocentricity.htm
Scroll down the page a little bit and click on the link says, “Another Look at Galileo” -by Dr. John Byl

http://www.geocentricity.com/
Click on the Geocentricity Link on the left side of the page.

Ekkman

To eecreationist: I was raised with the NIV my biggest problem with it is John 3:16 the Niv ghanges “only begotten” to “his one and only son” leaving the rest of us in the cold. Some more are as follows:
Try Answering These From Your NIV
By Rex L. Cobb

INSTRUCTIONS:
Using the New International Version Bible, answer the following questions to this NIV quiz.
Do not rely on your memory. As the Bible is the final authority, you must take the answer from the Bible verse (not from footnotes but from the text).

Fill in the missing words in Matthew 5:44. “Love your enemies,__________ them that curse you, ______________ to them that hate you, and pray for them that __________ and persecute you.”

According to Matthew 17:21, what two things are required to cast out this type of demon?

According to Matthew 18:11, why did Jesus come to earth?

According to Matthew 27:2, what was Pilate’s first name?

In Matthew 27:35, when the wicked soldiers parted His garments, they were fulfilling the words of the prophet. Copy what the prophet said in Matthew 27:35 from the NIV.

In Mark 3:15, Jesus gave the apostles power to cast out demons and to: ____________

According to Mark 7:16, what does a man need to be able to hear?

According to Luke 7:28, what was John? (teacher, prophet, carpenter, etc.). What is his title or last name?

In Luke 9:55, what did the disciples not know?

In Luke 9:56, what did the Son of man not come to do? According to this verse, what did He come to do?

In Luke 22:14, how many apostles were with Jesus?

According to Luke 23:38, in what three languages was the superscription written?

In Luke 24:42, what did they give Jesus to eat with His fish?

John 3:13 is a very important verse, proving the deity of Christ. According to this verse (as Jesus spoke), where is the Son of man?

What happened each year as told in John 5:4?

In John 7:50, what time of day did Nicodemus come to Jesus?

In Acts 8:37, what is the one requirement for baptism?

What did Saul ask Jesus in Acts 9:6?

Write the name of the man mentioned in Acts 15:34.

Study Acts 24:6-8. What would the Jew have done with Paul? What was the chief captain’s name? What did the chief captain command?

Copy Romans 16:24 word for word from the NIV.

First Timothy 3:16 is perhaps the greatest verse in the New Testament concerning the deity of Christ. In this verse, who was manifested in the flesh?

In the second part of First Peter 4:14, how do [they] speak of Christ? And, what do we Christians do?

Who are the three Persons of the Trinity in First John 5:7?

Revelation 1:11 is another very important verse that proves the deity of Christ. In the first part of this verse Jesus said, “I am the A______________ and O___________, the _________ and the _______:”

If you read the last chapter of Revelations it might also clear this up for you!

With love Three Crosses
P.S. the Niv is translated from the roman catholic bible aka “the majority of texts”

[EDITOR'S NOTE:  The length is fine.  I do not disagree, by the way.  I have not "chimed in" on this debate up until now, but I am strongly KJV oriented.  While the NIV, RSV, NASB, et al, have "simplified words", they have also CHANGED MEANINGS!  Evil persons are altering the Bible's words.  The Church is being weakened from within.  The KJV is the closest to Textus Receptus, the thousands of manuscripts that were passed down by believers over the millennia.  Also see:  http://www.avpublications.com/avnew/home.html   P.A.  ]

So from a personal experience I have found some of the other versions easier to understand. I don’t care about statistics or what studies have shown. Maybe there is something that I am missing. I have heard of books that you can get that help you to read the KJV and understand it better. I do plan on reading those, but if you need to read a book to understand it, can it really be true that it is the easiest bible to read? I don’t see any books that help you read the NIV, or the NLT…

I do understand that getting the true meaning is “easier” from the KJV but that is because I think it is a superior bible that translates from the correct manuscripts, not because it is easier english to read. Kind of like saying I get more out of what God is saying in the KJV than I do from Left Behind.

Hi Ekkman,

I said: “All I was saying is we should pray without ceasing, regardless of how close we are or think we are to the Lord. How else do you make a stronger connection with him? Prayer, praise and reading his word with a hungry heart seeking the truth! Always pray everyone, regardless how near or far you are from the Lord, he hears and he answers! Pray that he draws you nearer!”

When a Christian is far from the Lord, the normal thing that he wouldn’t do is pray. He has no desire for fellowship with the Lord and wouldn’t get it anyway if he is playing with sin. Deliberate sin breaks fellowship with God and if it continues then we are in deep trouble. How does a Christian always pray? When you are playing with sin and talking to God, you are not praying. You might think you are but you are not really praying.

Ekkman said: “How do you pray without ceasing? I agree that he hears prayers of repentance if we are walking in disobedience to his revealed will for our lives. Then he will hear our other prayers. Jonah was heard in the belly of the whale when he repented and got right with God, not until. For example, My wife is living in adultery. Do you think that God hears her prayers? “God, I pray that you will help me and my new boyfriend have a good time while we are out tonight. In Jesus’ name, amen!””

I think you know this is not how I meant it, you are being a little bit obnoxious.

I wasn’t being obnoxious. I was just being honest, I don’t know you so I was asking. You wouldn’t believe all the “Christians” that feel this is all right to do.

It sounds like you are quite bitter against your wife. Yes, your wife may be living in adultery and I can only imagine how much this hurts you. But this does not mean she is damned to hell for eternity. Perhaps the Lord is using it as a test and trial for you just for one. I really cannot comment as I do not know your full situation, but be careful how you judge her. By the way, has your wife accepted Jesus Christ as her saviour?

I can honestly say I have no bitterness at all for her. I still love her very much, I pity her and pray for her a lot. I cry for her and my kids everyday at the weirdest times. I could be driving and I start crying for them and also pray for them or I see some kids and I start crying and praying for mine. I drive past a park that I took them to a lot of times and I would start crying and praying again. This goes on in many other illustrations. Yea, I believe that she really accepted him a few years ago but she turned her back on him now. She will not go to heaven unless she repents and turns back to the Lord. I am super careful how I judge her. I want my judgments to be righteous judgments based on God’s word. The Lord makes in plain no adulterer, fornicator will enter into the kingdom of heaven. I would take her back in a minute if she truly repents just as the Lord would do.
I would also say to you be very careful how you judge her. Many seem to think if they judge “positively” about the person that they are all right in their judgments. That isn’t righteous judgment necessarily. We are to judge by the word of God and by the Spirit of God. Jesus was hard core with truth especially with the religious leaders. Jesus said in Rev. 3: that he is going to spew the lukewarm Christians out of his mouth. Some tell me that isn’t hell. I just tell them I don’t want to be spewed to the other side of heaven by the Lord Jesus Christ, I want to hear him say well done.

Also, in regard to some of your comments: I am more than willing to stand up for Jesus in this wicked and sinful generation. I am more that happy to lay down my life, my reputation, my all for the Lord. No, this world is not our home, we are just passing through, but that does not make us any more special or better then anyone else. ALL have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God, for the wages of sin is indeed death, but Gods gift is totally free, eternal life through Jesus Christ’s sacrifice for us at Calvary.

I believe we spit in the Lord’s face, so to speak, when we talk about how wicked and sinful we are after he made us the righteousness of God in Christ Jesus. I think that is one of the major reasons that so many Christians are living in defeat and ruin. They live what they believe that they are. Jesus made us saints of God in the here and now. We don’t wait till we get to heaven to become saints like the Roman Catholics teach. Many of the Epistles start off “to the saints at…” God tells us in I John 3:9 that those who are born of God cannot sin, but we still have the old sin nature by way of the flesh that we are called to crucify daily to walk overcoming, victorious lives.>/b>

I said: “You can lead a horse to water, but if it isn’t thirsty, it won’t drink. The Lord stands at the door and knocks; he doesn’t use a battering ram. He speaks in a soft loving voice and if any man hears it, he will come in.”

Ekkman said: “ ??????? I have no idea why you said the above statement. Who is using battering rams?”

This was just an example of the love & meekness of the Lord and of his truth, it is there for all who want it, for the taking, it is in no way forced upon anyone. Sorry if I confused you.

It is true that the Lord of glory is love and meek but he came the first time to save the world not to condemn since it was already condemned. But those who reject his offer of salvation when he comes again, it will be as judge and a battering ram would be easier on you. Like the bumper sticker says, “Jesus is coming back soon and boy is he mad.