To the many who took time to pray for Mrs. Hovind or support her in the court room, we express our deep gratitude. The sentencing guideline for her charges was zero to six months in prison as a maximum, or probation as an appropriate option. After the prosecution filed a memorandum asking for an upward departure from the recommended sentence guidelines to be applied, the Court contacted the Sentencing Commission for a clarification in this case.
The Sentencing Commission handed back the same decision as the Sentencing Guideline Book recommended—zero to six months in prison as a maximum, or probation as an appropriate option.
In spite of these facts, Judge Rodgers ordered Mrs. Hovind to one year and one day in Federal Prison. Judge Rodgers said her reasons for the upward departure were largely based on the fact that she believed Mrs. Hovind was a “tax protestor” who conspired with her husband to evade the IRS. Those who know her, know that label to be untrue in every sense of the word.
Mrs. Hovind was not taken immediately into custody, but was graciously allowed to report to prison on August 31st. It was the recommendation of Judge Rodgers to place Mrs. Hovind in the closest women’s facility available to her family, which is located in Marianna, Florida. However, it will be up to the Bureau of Prisons to decide where Mrs. Hovind reports.
The Attorneys will be filling a Stay Request on her incarceration pending Appeal. They will also be filling Appeals to the 11th Circuit as soon as the Court transcripts are ready. Unfortunately, the transcripts were ordered in November, but still remain uncompleted.
Also signed by Judge Rodgers were the Prosecution’s Orders for Forfeiture.
The money from the checks involved in these charges was largely used to give to the people serving in the ministry. The money was not used to buy property. Yet, the prosecution has asked for the entire total of this money to be forfeited to the government through the bank account and properties of CSE. We continue to pray over this battle as well.
All of this serves as a distraction from the mission and purpose of Creation Science Evangelism. The mission of CSE is to take the gospel to the world using the creation message, and to strengthen the faith of believers in God’s Word.
We pray that by relaying the events of these legal battles to you, it will not deter from our goal—winning the world to Christ.
Mature kid:
Kudos on your Jul18 post.
I really like your style. (I hope this isn’t the kiss of death for you) If you aren’t already on a speaking circuit like Kent had been, have you considered it? I don’t find you dry and boring like some others in here and really think you’d do well. At the very least you have shown to have a good understanding of the bigger picture
Farewell post:
“The bigger picture” THAT is the very thing of which we need a good understanding. We have some folks in here mired in “doubtful disputations” (Rom14:1) as if we were commanded by God to be involved in such. Or “perverse disputings”(1Tim6:5)…again, as if they were commanded by God to partake in such. You could say that one who fiercely claims to defend the word and would ignore such an obvious command(s) by Paul (writing under the influence of the Holy Ghost) might in fact be a…uh…an actor? Uh…a stage player with the two faces, one smiling, one sad? It’s that word that sounds like the oath that doctors swear to and USED to follow. I forget. Now mind you, YOU could say it. I certainly never would.
I’ve only been at this blog for two weeks. I have NOT been in here for 6 months like I saw one blogger post of himself. I may be missing the bigger picture of this blog in general, though I posted the “ABOUT” section of this blog on a post earlier. Forgive me for thinking: “CSEBlogs is an online datasource for the latest information regarding Creation Science Evangelism, and Dinosaur Adventure Land outreaches.” I guess one should not take that literally? *sigh*
What I have seen are lots of folks with widely differing opinions (yes opinions) with each one supposedly thinking they’re correct. You have relatively newcomers to the faith like Rebecca that find attitudes such have been displayed in this room completely out of line. Instead of encouragement, she receives thinly veiled rebukes from the various “masters” in the blog. We have some good dudes that are on target with fair posts & insights regarding Creation Science. Then we have some scoffers. I have to think that one of these scoffers (who claimed to have been saved as a teen) has a rather large chip on his shoulder. I couldn’t tell you exactly what it is, but I do perceive he has been burned. Possibly burned by the likes of an arrogant, know-it-all “Christian” or church. This may explain his duelings with the aforementioned “Master” of the blog.
Where as the scoffer may be restored to the fold by honest and caring believers, this “master” will likely continue in his pride and arrogance to his death. When a believer “knows” it all, there is nothing you can do for him but pray. If that brother clings to his pride and won’t repent, even prayer may be discouraged (1John5:16). Hey, I used to be like this dude. Knowing it all. Eager to post every verse proving my point right (and yours wrong). The grace and mercy of God reached me and delivered me of that mess.
I posted that this dude is like a sounding brass and tinkling cymbal. This references 1Cor13:1. By his voluminous postings and their CONTENT, one may safely assume many things about him:
And though he has the gift of prophecy and understands all mysteries, and all knowledge…(sounds like him so far)…and have all faith so he could remove mountains and have not charity (love) he is nothing. (1Cor13:2)
From those of us on the outside looking in, we see that he is at variance with: “Charity…is kind… vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up, doth not behave itself unseemly, nor seeketh his own, is not easily provoked…”
1) His many postings are not a defense of God, they’re a boasting of himself: “Vaunteth itself” Lookie at me. I can quote the Bible.
2) His tone of rebuke for Rebecca was not “kind” but arrogant.
3) His inferred majority view on this “King James Bible believing, fundamentalist website” is most certainly “puffed up”. (tongues of men and angels…have not charity)
4) “But thank you for calling and sharing, may we have the next caller please?” Behaving unseemly, no?
5) “Seeketh his own”…I’ve said it before. He posts like he thinks God needs him to defend His Word. His Word has survived the ages fine. He doesn’t need you. The dude is only seeking to tickle his own itchy pride. tsk tsk.
6) “Is not easily provoked”. I’ve had several postings not directed to him by name. Yet he responds as if they were. More shame. Yet, kinda comical at the same time.
The dude is at variance with Charity.
Charity. Love. That is where I missed it in the past. I used to think that quoting the bible ad nauseum was the right way to convert people. It didn’t work. I’d study harder; find more cross referencing to prove my point…I still drove people away. I found, as I pray you all do, that knowing the Bible verses inside and out and quoting it doesn’t mean a thing. You are nothing. Dude, I’m gonna address you directly. THEY DON’T CARE HOW MUCH YOU KNOW TILL THEY KNOW HOW MUCH YOU CARE. Oh, did you want a chapter and verse? Well, this is an understanding that you may only receive when you have humbled yourself before God. Go ahead and dispute it if you’re so inclined. I’m reminded of the “Owl Critic” by James Thomas Fields (Copy and paste in your browser address line)
oldpoetry.com/opoem/show/54326-James-Thomas-Fields-The-Owl-Critic
Remember, we mustn’t corrupt the blog with excessive HTML tags.
I’m thinking I’m in the vast MINORITY in this room anyway. I only stumbled into this room wondering why I couldn’t schedule Kent for a seminar in my city. I have a great deal of respect for Kent. He has in the past put himself and his family at great inconvenience while he travels and debates against the most wicked of religions. I have to admire such a dedication. I pray God delivers Kent & Jo soon to be at liberty among us.
Dude, I admit I’ve had fun at your expense. I should know better because I’ve been in your shoes. I do apologize. I hope you find the courage to humble yourself before God and be delivered like I had to be.
Well anyway, I must bid farewell. I’ve done the chatroom bit and have found that “he that is convinced against his will is of the same opinion still”. Looking at the bigger picture, I don’t think I’ve added much of anything to anyone in here. But then I could be wrong. It is after all…only my opinion.
Dear FuManchu,
I do greatly appreciate your continued presence on this conservative Christian blog even if we continue to disagree on these issues many times over. I believe sincerely that you are searching in your own way for the truth and I respect you for that. It is my hope and prayer that something stated here or elsewhere will show you that the Scriptures are real and true and that the Lord will one day open your eyes to these things.
Peter clearly states that one of the signs that will be seen before the second coming of Christ will be people that “scoff” at the creation and the flood. I can’t imagine that you in any manner disagree with the historical context of disbelief that has crept into the mind of many men over the last 200 years especially and that a wide majority of people now openly “scoff” against the creation and the flood. In doing this, Peter clearly states:
II Peter 3:4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.
My dear FuManchu, does this not indeed succinctly summarize the Uniformitarian principle precisely which is the foremost and outstanding argument against creation and the flood as Dr. Hovind has correctly pointed out for many years?
Uniformitarianism, in the philosophy of science, is the assumption that the natural processes operating in the past are the same as those that can be observed operating in the present. Its methodological significance is frequently summarized in the statement: “The present is the key to the past.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uniformitarianism_%28science%29
And as in all of legal evidence cases, we have the second witness:
II Peter 3:5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:
Does this not again summarize the next most quoted argument against creation and the flood, that is the “great age of the earth?”
Yes, FuManchu, I see these things quite clearly and yet, it is far from me to agree with you that this is simply an interpretation that I have personally added to these Scriptures. I believe that they speak quite clearly and plainly to all. I hope and pray that this is helpful to you and others. I likewise not only scoffed at the Bible until I was 36, but unfortunately, I was quite unkind and even vindictive against born again Christians when I felt obligated to defend science from “ignorant” traditions. How wrong I was.
In the love of Christ,
EndTimes
rusosure
Said this at 4:31am:
Amen brother. Amen. I like your name.
Thank you,
my mother gave it to me. The reason being is, she was told by the medical profession that she could not have any more children after having my older sister and frequent miscarriages after her. She fervently prayed the prayer of Hannah, promising me she would give me back to the Lord and he delivered. Thats why she named me Samuel. Do not get me wrong, I do not see myself as a prophet like Samuel of old, but merely a humble servant of the Lord. Since I came along she has had 6 more children also and is now a happy grandmother 
By the way bro, the king of the Amalekites will be arriving shortly. May we have a repeat performance?
Not sure what you meant by this. Please elaborate.
If you disagree with me you disagree with God, and are in danger of hell fire.
Naw, this is only my opinion.
Sarcasm?
Hi DQ
Please scroll up and read a previous post called “Proof That Jesus Is the Messiah!”
This could answer some of your questions and potentially get you saved.
God bless,
Sam
There seem to be a worryingly large number of arguments here that essentially say “some men are too stupid to understand women, therefore women should be prevented from holding positions of authority”. This is similar to the equally idiotic “some men are unable to control themselves sexually, therefore women should be prevented from wearing anything other than long skirts and thick blouses”.
Dear DQ
You stated
“Micah continues his prophecy about this person born in Bethlehem by stating that the person will rule in Israel. Jesus did not rule in Israel. You assure me that he will rule in the future, or in other words you admit that he did not fulfill this prophecy, in contradiction of your previous claim that he fulfilled 100% of the prophecies.”
Micah 5
2″But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting.”
Incredibly, You have missed these literal fulfilments.
1. This Prophecy of the birthplace of the coming Messiah was fully accepted as such by the Jewish scribes at the time of Christ (Ma 2:4-6 and John 7:41-42.) Bethlehem as stated was hardly the place for a king to be born (in mans eyes). Yet this prophet foresaw, over 500 years in advance, the unlikely village of Bethlehem as His birthplace.
2. The Messiah was to be brought forth as a baby in Bethlehem, but was also to been “ going forth” from eternity. Such a thing sounds impossible but was LITERALLY fulfilled when God became man in the person of Jesus.
He is the King of the Jews; they rejected Him just as they did before,
1Samuel 8: 4Then all the elders of Israel gathered themselves together, and came to Samuel unto Ramah,
5And said unto him, Behold, thou art old, and thy sons walk not in thy ways: now make us a king to judge us like all the nations.
6But the thing displeased Samuel, when they said, Give us a king to judge us. And Samuel prayed unto the LORD.
7And the LORD said unto Samuel, Hearken unto the voice of the people in all that they say unto thee: for they have not rejected thee, but they have rejected me, that I should not reign over them.
The good news is He is coming back not to suffer and die for sins but to reign, hallelujah, praise the wonderful name of Jesus my Lord.
Ma 27: 37 “And set up over his head his accusation written, THIS IS JESUS THE KING OF THE JEWS”
Luke 23:38
And a superscription also was written over him in letters of Greek, and Latin, and Hebrew, THIS IS THE KING OF THE JEWS.
Luke 19
35And they brought him to Jesus: and they cast their garments upon the colt, and they set Jesus thereon.
36And as he went, they spread their clothes in the way.
37And when he was come nigh, even now at the descent of the mount of Olives, the whole multitude of the disciples began to rejoice and praise God with a loud voice for all the mighty works that they had seen;
38Saying, Blessed be the King that cometh in the name of the Lord: peace in heaven, and glory in the highest.
39And some of the Pharisees from among the multitude said unto him, Master, rebuke thy disciples.
40And he answered and said unto them, I tell you that, if these should hold their peace, the stones would immediately cry out.
41And when he was come near, he beheld the city, and wept over it,
42Saying, If thou hadst known, even thou, at least in this thy day, the things which belong unto thy peace! but now they are hid from thine eyes.
43For the days shall come upon thee, that thine enemies shall cast a trench about thee, and compass thee round, and keep thee in on every side,
44And shall lay thee even with the ground, and thy children within thee; and they shall not leave in thee one stone upon another; because thou knewest not the time of thy visitation.
45And he went into the temple, and began to cast out them that sold therein, and them that bought;
46Saying unto them, It is written, My house is the house of prayer: but ye have made it a den of thieves.
47And he taught daily in the temple. But the chief priests and the scribes and the chief of the people sought to destroy him,
48And could not find what they might do: for all the people were very attentive to hear him.
He had to come first to suffer for our sin, he will come back to Reign as King.
3.
3Therefore will he give them up, until the time that she which travaileth hath brought forth: then the remnant of his brethren shall return unto the children of Israel.
4And he shall stand and feed in the strength of the LORD, in the majesty of the name of the LORD his God; and they shall abide: for now shall he be great unto the ends of the earth.
5And this man shall be the peace, when the Assyrian shall come into our land: and when he shall tread in our palaces, then shall we raise against him seven shepherds, and eight principal me
Jul 18 DQ
Said this at 9:47am:
1) EndTimes: you asked for an example of where the bible contains two different numbers for the same thing. I Kings 7:26 states that Solomon’s molten sea contained 2000 baths, while II Chronicles 4:5 states that it contains 3000 baths. For the record, I am aware of the contortions that apologists jump through to explain this away, but I am not impressed by them. I think a perfect god should be able to write a book without these kinds of contradictions that require tortured logic and redefinitions of words to explain.
Dear DQ, if Solomon’s sea can contain 3000 baths, can it not also truthfully hold 2000 baths at any given time? Sorry DQ, this is not a contradiction but simply a statement of fact on how much water was in it on these two different occasions.
2) Jul 19 DQ
Said this at 8:39am:
The whole “second coming” nonsense is just an excuse to explain why the prophecies have not been fulfilled. But the problem is, and you have refused to address this, Jesus prophesied that he would return within the lifetimes of the people who were listening to him at the time! So I think it’s about time to stop waiting around.
My dear DQ, the Bible indeed does have examples of prophecies that are contiguous in type, yet divided by the time between the first and second coming. Perhaps the best is Isaiah 61 and Luke 4:
THE Spirit of the Lord GOD is upon me; because the LORD hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound;
2 To proclaim the acceptable year of the LORD, and the day of vengeance of our God; to comfort all that mourn;
Why did Jesus stop with the first part of verse 2 and not state that it was “the time for the vengeance of our God?” Simply because these are two events separated in time. Yes, DQ, the second coming is a great reality soon to be here. This is not a contradiction nor is it a contradiction in Micah to state that He will reign as King of Israel yet wait for that literal fulfillment. Please go read Ezekiel and Daniel and Zechariah of His coming in person to rule over all of the earth during the 1000 year millennium. Take note especially of the very last verse in Ezekiel and the name of Jerusalem at that time.
3) “2. Micah continues his prophecy about this person born in Bethlehem by stating that the person will rule in Israel. Jesus did not rule in Israel. You assure me that he will rule in the future, or in other words you admit that he did not fulfill this prophecy, in contradiction of your previous claim that he fulfilled 100% of the prophecies.”
Sorry, but I see no contradiction since I believe intimately in the blessed hope of His second coming.
4) “3. Micah further states that this person will defeat the Assyrians. Jesus did not defeat the Assyrians. The apologist answer that has been given here is that Micah meant “anti-christ” when he said “Assyrians.” This is preposterous and does not even warrant a response.
So, from this particular prophecy, you get maybe one out of three. Saying he will fulfill it in the future doesn’t cut it, and changing words at your leisure to make it work out doesn’t either.
By the way, the antichrist has not yet come so how can you claim that Jesus will not fulfill that which is written in Revelation 19?
First of all, I already quoted you scripture that states that the anti-christ has come, which you conveniently ignored. So I will try again: read I John 2:18. If that doesn’t convince you, try I John 4:3, which also states explicitly that the anti-christ is already in the world. This dovetails nicely with Jesus’s prediction that the end times would occur within the lifetimes of the people then. Also, I think it is pretty poor form to state unequivocally that Jesus will fulfill a certain prophecy in the future, with absolutely no evidence to back yourself up, and then ask me how I can claim that Jesus will not fulfill a prophecy in the future. We don’t need a double standard here, one standard will do just fine.”
Now you have hit on one of my most favorite topics which we discussed a little a couple of months ago. The “doctrine” of the Roman Antichrist is a false doctrine. He will instead come out of the Greek empire. Daniel 8: 19-27, Daniel chapter 11, the king of the north, i.e. the Seleucid empire, Revelation 13:1-2. Let’s look at that one a little closer:
Revelation 13:1 AND I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.
2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.
Forgive me for opening this “can of worms” with you, but here goes nevertheless, the term “like unto” leads us right back to Daniel chapter 7. All the beasts were referred to with this phrase. By the convention of Isaiah 28: 9-13, we can thus simply use the defined terms in Daniel to define the like terms here in Revelation. Thus, “like unto a leopard” means that this beast (the antichrist) will come out of the Greek empire just as we are told in Daniel 8 & 11. In addition, Revelation 13:2 is a second witness of the antichrist coming from the Seleucid empire, king of the north, by virtue of the remaining clues. The Greek empire was split into 4 separate kingdoms by his 4 generals. We see this in the leopard of Daniel 7 with the leopard itself representing the complete empire of Alexander, the 4 heads representing his 4 commanders, and the TWO PAIRS OF WINGS (Please note I have deliberately avoided using the 4 wings to illustrate a very special point) that represent the two parts of the broken Greek empire that ruled over Jerusalem, namely the king of the north, Seleucids in Assyria(one thigh of brass), and the king of the south, Ptolemies in Egypt (the second thigh of brass, Daniel 2). So, that is the first reference to the antichrist coming as the Assyrian.
Thus, the part of the leopard that this beast will come has the feet of the bear (Media Persia or modern Kuwait) and the mouth of the lion (Babylon or modern Iraq) Hmmm, that is where there is much trouble and confusion today, and the antichrist will come from here according to the Bible very clearly, look out folks it is soon upon us.
Now turn to Isaiah 10:
20 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the remnant of Israel, and such as are escaped of the house of Jacob, shall no more again stay upon him that smote them; but shall stay upon the LORD, the Holy One of Israel, in truth.
21 The remnant shall return, even the remnant of Jacob, unto the mighty God.
22 For though thy people Israel be as the sand of the sea, yet a remnant of them shall return: the consumption decreed shall overflow with righteousness.
(When we see the return of Israel to the land)
23 For the Lord GOD of hosts shall make a consumption, even determined, in the midst of all the land.
24 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD of hosts, O my people that dwellest in Zion, be not afraid of the Assyrian: he shall smite thee with a rod, and shall lift up his staff against thee, after the manner of Egypt.
25 For yet a very little while, and the indignation shall cease, and mine anger in their destruction.
(Then the Lord will destroy the Assyrian. Yes, one of the titles of the antichrist is actually the Assyrian.)
So, DQ, I continue to pray for you to be able to see these things, yet I am afraid that for whatever reason, that which most agree on is not easily conveyed to you and I truly do not know how get you to see these things. That is why I have referenced the spiritual manner of learning any truth from the Bible, in spirit and truth.
Lastly, you are talking about I John 2:18 and how the many antichrists are already here and likewise in I John 4:3 with the spirit of antichrist which is already here. Simply put, you will need to recognize that there is a PERSON, PEOPLE AND SPIRIT of antichrist just as there is likewise the PERSON (Jesus), PEOPLE(His church) AND SPIRIT (Holy Spirit) of God working here on the earth. So, please do not confuse the work of the “people” of antichrist with the “person” of antichrist who is not yet here.
I pray that this is helpful to you.
In the love of Christ,
EndTimes
Mr. Rusosure,
In defense of Endtimes, I’d say you seem to have a problem with pride, yourself. It sure seems that way from reading your posts! You have a problem with a Bible believing Christian quoting Scripture? And what did the One whom you call Lord, do? What is your problem, Mr. Rusosure, that you cannot stand for a Christian to quote Scripture? It is the ONLY way to teach someone about Christ Jesus by the power of the Holy Spirit, mind you. What do you suggest Christians use…humanistic, philosophical thinking? Look in the mirror “dude” (by the way that is not how our Lord Jesus would refer to a brother). I would say that Mr. Endtimes is more humble than yourself, comparing both of your writings.
You did not show the charity part that you quoted in your last post to our brother Endtimes of which you accused him of not showing. Is that not hypocritical?
Have fun on your other blogsites, Mr. Rusosure:0)
Dear rusosure,
Oh dear, was that another insult or an apology for all of the other insults? Thank you for your “opinions” but I prefer the sure truth of the Scriptures to any man’s opinion.
I John 2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.
(This is why I quote so much of the Scripture here with most of my responses, it is not my opinion or any one else’s opinion that matters at all. It only matters what the Scriptures state for themselves. That is all that I have tried to accomplish.)
I do agree that the last month of endless assertions of so many false doctrines has been quite tiring. I will gladly retire at this time too for a short rest. Please forgive me for all of my long posts, but seeing God’s Holy Word trampled under foot gets my ire up. It has been an amazing 6 weeks of endless attacks against the Holy Scriptures and yes, I do gladly defend truth from error. Again forgive me for the many long posts.
May God Bless,
EndTimes
Dear FuManChu,
…Your observations and what you wrote in the context of men-women dynamics here, are rather interesting… and they make sense…
Dear Rusosure,
You wrote:
“Charity. Love. That is where I missed it in the past. I used to think that quoting the bible ad nauseum was the right way to convert people. It didn’t work. I’d study harder; find more cross referencing to prove my point…I still drove people away. I found, as I pray you all do, that knowing the Bible verses inside and out and quoting it doesn’t mean a thing.”
…I agree with you…and what you commented on the people who do not know Christ yet, that they want to see whether we, as Christians, CARE… as they want to know and see how much God Who we serve CARES…And we should reflect the love and care that Christ has offered to them… and still is offering…through us, as His Body…
…Just wanted to add to what you have written… I am reading a book “Simple Faith” by Chuck Swindoll… He expressed a very interesting thought in this matter when Jesus called us to be the salt and the light in this world… in the context of how we tend sometimes to convert unbelievers… He wrote, “Shine, but not blind… Shake it [salt], but not oversalt…”
Dear EndTimes,
…I am not ready to answer your question on a word “deaconness” in the Scripture… I know that Pheobe had a similar ministry as a servant that deacons (men) had… Currently, I do not have a full time access to the Net… (I will do my research on that, though…).. and might respond you later…
…In the context of some notions and words in the Bible, I would like to make a little comment… In the Bible we do not find such the words like “Christian/Christians”, yet, we use this word and know what they imply… We cannot find in the Bible another word combination like “personal relationships with Christ” either, but every Christian knows what it is all about and those are legitimate words…and are not UNbiblical… There should be a space for the linguistic and notional interpretations that express litterally not as much the logics or “litteriliality” (my own word
, but the very core of God’s heart, His Spirit and the context of His message…
Lovingly and respectingly in Christ,
Inna.
Dr. Hovind
I understand the importance of getting out the GOOD NEWS OF MESSIAH. I also see how the courts can impose what they thinks is just,
So instead of giving money to you, I went out and bought a disc duplicator. I do about 20 t0 30 events a season, and deal with about 600 to 700 people with each event.
I’m sorry for where you’re at, but like the stoning of Steven … unless the seed die … and all those other verses that imply growth.
Your suffering has made me do more.
Anthony
PS. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4UQ5CHifqMs&mode=related&search=
Beloved Brother Kent Hovind & Sister Jo,
Grace & peace of our dear Lord & Saviour Jesus Christ be with you.
The Lord Jesus trod this earth before us & He is our High priest.
He has gone this way of suffering for the cause of God’s Kingdom before & He is well able to succour us in times of trials & He will succour you in this trying times.
Hebrews 4:15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.
I pray that the Lord will give you the type of deepening love for the Lord & sweetness that is in knowing Jesus that one only gets in persecution times. I pray that the glories in Heaven will be revealed more unto you in times like this; thus making the suffering of this world nothing to be compared with the glories that lies ahead of you. 2Cor 4:17 For our light affliction, which is but for a moment, worketh for us a far more exceeding and eternal weight of glory;
The Lord said we should occupy till He comes; I thank the Lord that this is what you are doing despite the present inconvenience Luke 19:13 And he called his ten servants, and delivered them ten pounds, and said unto them, Occupy till I come.
It is joy when we suffer for righteousness & take it patiently. The enemy will always look for occasion against those who serve the Lord & proclaim the truth. Remember how they sought occasion against Jeremiah & Daniel; all they could think of is to find occasion against them by pushing them to the state of obeying God or obeying man. Thank God, these men chose to obey God rather than men;
Daniel 6:4-5
4 Then the presidents and princes sought to find occasion against Daniel concerning the kingdom; but they could find none occasion nor fault; forasmuch as he was faithful, neither was there any error or fault found in him.
5 Then said these men, We shall not find any occasion against this Daniel, except we find it against him concerning the law of his God.
Jeremiah 18:18 Then said they, Come, and let us devise devices against Jeremiah; for the law shall not perish from the priest, nor counsel from the wise, nor the word from the prophet. Come, and let us smite him with the tongue, and let us not give heed to any of his words.
Halleluiah …for the suffering they endured & for the glory they received at the end of it all.
Keep enduring, like Apostle Paul and many other brethren. I am not ashamed of your bonds my brother & sister; for you are in bond for the cause of the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ irrespective of the striving of tongues used against you….it was done against our Lord Jesus Christ as well as the apostles ….So we are not above our Master for “It is enough for the disciple that he be as his master, and the servant as his lord. If they have called the master of the house Beelzebub, how much more shall they call them of his household?” Mt 10:25
Be encouraged that God is still on your side and you are winners in Jesus.
Sade Tennyson
rusosure
Said this at 2:40pm:
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Farewell post:
I will not paste all of rusosures post, if you want to know what it said please scroll up, it isn’t that far above.
The reason I am making this post is not to cause arguments or to cause any hard feelings. I do not want to come across as self righteous and proud myself and I apologise in advance if it seems as though I am having a pop at Endtimes, but I have only come here today to speak the honest to God truth and hopefully be a wake up call for the persons concerned and hopefully be a positive witness for our lord and saviour Jesus Christ.
Endtimes, before I start, please do not take this personally, and I’m sorry in advance if you take offence to this and can only pray you do not hate me for what I am about to say. Remember, I love you very much as a brother in Christ regardless of how my words are interpreted by you and others. May God bless this time spent and help me speak from my heart without prejudice and with the love and grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, Amen.
What prompted me to write this blog was I found it very interesting how some other bloggers have voiced in different ways, certain things about Endtimes posts and the way he conveys his words. I would have to say without being unkind to Endtimes, I understand what rusosure is saying in his posts and agree with him to a certain extent. (not necessarily exactly how he is saying it, but hey, none of us are perfect and I respect rusosure immensely for speaking up about this real issue.)
I will be totally honest, I have corresponded with Endtimes via email privately in the past and recently and he not only portrays his lack of love on this blog but in private as well. Do not get me wrong, I believe his intentions are very good and I know he loves the Lord and is only trying to defend the truth, reach the lost do what the word says but I believe he is suffering from his own self righteous pride. (Something we are all guilty of. Lord help us)
This is something that Satan commonly uses against people who study the scriptures at length, it is a way he binds them and turns them against each other using Gods own word. Remember, Satan knows the Word of God better than any of us and also knows exactly how to use it to cause division and hatred between brethren and against the brethren.
I think the way Endtimes can make people feel terrible with the insinuation of hell fire and of doom, condemnation and “if you don’t start being good you’re gonna burn” is very wrong. The Lord does not want ANYONE to go to hell, but rest assured those who do in the end will have fought their way there by their own informed choices. ( I have studied in dept Gods word and other literature about heaven, hell and in between and am more then happy to share if anyone asks and wants to know exactly what the Bible says about the afterlife)
The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom, as a child’s healthy fear of their parents chastisement is good, but not fear of the parent disowning them eternally. Can you imagine what this prospect does to potential believers whom had they been shown the true love of God instead of law may have come to Christ?
You can lead a horse to water but you cannot make it drink. A man who you try to force an opinion on is of the same opinion still.
The fear of punishment and eternal damnation if you do not do as some interpret scripture, is not what Jesus was teaching us, and an open minded, prayerful study of Gods word reveals this very clearly. Please do not hesitate to challenge me on this as I have arranged a huge armoury of scripture all ready in case Endtimes decides to treat and abuse me verbally the way he has rusosure.
God is eternally merciful, full of grace and love. He proved this by sending Jesus to the world. (John 3:16) The Devil does not want people to know the true love of God so he uses Gods own word to condemn all so they just give up and think, “oh well I cant be good enough anyway so I may as well not even try” This couldn’t be further from the truth, God did not send Jesus to the world for the righteous, but sinners to repentance, and if you want to get down to the nitty gritty, ALL of us are guilty of sin and worthy of death, including Endtimes, regardless how good he sees himself since his conversion. It is ONLY the love, mercy and grace of God through our Lord Jesus Christ that saves us, NOTHING else does, none of our righteousness, good works or so called good behaviour can cut it. Our own righteousness in the Bible is clearly described as filthy rags to the Lord, but he loves us anyway and knows we are like this all because of the 1st disobedience in the garden of Eden when sin entered the world and death through sin.
The whole attitude of “I’m right, you’re wrong, look at the scriptures” is not how to witness in my opinion. And the main purpose we are here is to “go into all the world and preach the GOSPEL” gospel means the good news, not bad news of doom and gloom. I think there is a time and a place for teaching Gods laws to a believing audience who know the Lord and can take a bit of a chaffed backside when they have done wrong because they know that Jesus loves them INSPITE of their sin, but this is NOT the way to reach the unsaved lost.
I have read some of the correspondence between rusosure and Endtimes on here and I think most will agree if they look back without bias that Endtimes can be very hard and unloving towards anyone he does not agree with.
What stood out to me quite clearly was how rusosure mentioned the sounding brass and tinkling cymbal passage in scripture.
rusosure said:
“I posted that this dude is like a sounding brass and tinkling cymbal. This references 1Cor13:1. By his voluminous postings and their CONTENT, one may safely assume many things about him:
And though he has the gift of prophecy and understands all mysteries, and all knowledge…(sounds like him so far)…and have all faith so he could remove mountains and have not charity (love) he is nothing. (1Cor13:2)”
I sent Endtimes an email a few weeks ago with this very passage from 1 Corinthians after he made me feel bad for some things in my life after briefly opening up to him about my current situation. Instead, he immediately decided to start voicing his concerns about my marital status instead of trying to get to know me personally first.
Not once has he apologised or shown me any real brotherly love in his responses, and has maintained that he is right according to scripture and that’s it. At first I was quite hurt and upset by the way he just skipped everything I had opened up to him about and went strait for my “wrong doings” despite my honest explanation of why I had 3 children but was not yet married by law. I have prayerfully asked the Lord what to do and he has shown me that this needs to be addressed for Endtimes sake so that he can see how he is hurting people with his lack of Love.
I hope and pray that after reading this Endtimes will see what I am trying to say with love and understanding instead of blowing up in anger. If anyone needs confirmation of our correspondence I am more then willing to post the full length of our email conversations for all to see and comment on themselves, if Endtimes will permit me to do so. ( I will of course edit out real names etc for privacy)
THEY DON’T CARE HOW MUCH YOU KNOW TILL THEY KNOW HOW MUCH YOU CARE.
How true.
Rusosure, please drop me an email, I would very much like to chat with you and anyone else who may have any questions or just wants a friendly chat please feel free to email me at sam.burton@gmail.com Thank you. And Endtimes, I am still waiting for a response from my last email
I could continue and go into more detail but I am going to have to wrap it up now. I will leave you all with the parable of the Pharisee and the Publican which I feel fits the situation quite well.
Endtimes, lastly, I am not directly comparing you to a Pharisee as I know you love the Lord and are only trying to do what is right by him and his word, but I believe you are missing one very important point. Unconditional Love, the true Love of Jesus the real reflection of God. I hope you do not take the following too personally, but can take it on board and see that the Lord is trying to tell you something, even if it is through a young ignorant fool like me. All my Love, Sam.
The Pharisee and the Publican!
Throughout His life and ministry, Jesus often taught in parables. One of the shortest, yet one of the most profound of all His parables was that of the Pharisee and the Publican. The Bible tells us that Jesus “spake this parable unto those who trusted in themselves, that they were righteous, and who therefore despised and looked down upon others.” (Luke 18:9)
Before we read the actual parable, it might be helpful to know exactly what a “Pharisee”, and what a “Publican” is. The Pharisees were the most influential of all the Jewish religious sects of Jesus’ day. The word “Pharisee” literally means “the separated ones, separatists”, which sums up the basic nature of their beliefs. They were the strictest legalists of the day, who pledged themselves to obey and observe ALL the countless restrictive rules, traditions and ceremonial laws of orthodox Judaism. They considered themselves to be the only true followers of God’s Laws, and therefore felt that they were much better and holier than anyone else.–Thus they separated themselves not only from the non-Jews–whom they absolutely despised and considered pagan “Gentile dogs”–but they even set themselves above and apart from their own Jewish brethren.
The Publicans, on the other hand, were considered by their fellow-Jews to be the absolutely worst kind of characters!–For the Publicans were tax collectors for the foreign occupier and ruler of Palestine, Imperial Rome. They were officially-appointed Jewish tax collectors for Caesar, and were therefore considered traitors by their brethren. The Romans would instruct the Publicans how much taxes to collect from the people, and then the Publicans could charge whatever they wanted to more than that for their own income. So they were usually extortioners, cheaters and robbers of the Jews, and were therefore absolutely despised by their Jewish brethren who considered them the scum of the Earth.
So when Jesus told this parable, comparing a Pharisee and a Publican, He had chosen the two most opposite figures in the entire Jewish community. The one was held to be the best, the most righteous, the most religious, the most holy, the most godly of all men.–Whereas the other was looked on as the worst, filthiest, traitorous scoundrel imaginable!
Here is the parable itself in Jesus’ Own Words: “Two men went up into the Temple to pray. One was a Pharisee, and the other was a Publican. The Pharisee stood up and prayed thus within himself: ‘Oh God, I thank You that I am not like other men are; robbers, extortioners, unjust, evil-doers, adulterers.–Or even as this Publican! I fast twice every week and I faithfully give tithes, one-tenth, of all that I get.’
“But the tax collector stood at a distance. He would not even lift up his eyes to look toward Heaven, but he beat upon his breast and said, ‘God, be merciful to me, a sinner!’
“Then Jesus said to those around Him, ‘I tell you the truth, that this man, rather than the other, went home justified before God. For everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, and he who humbles himself will be exalted!’” (Luke 18:9-14)
Which one of these two men did Jesus say was actually justified before God?–The Pharisee who appeared to be so righteous and holy, and who no doubt felt that he was a very righteous and good man?–Or the tax collector, the sinner, who was despised by others, and who apparently even despised himself, who felt so ashamed of himself that he wouldn’t even lift up his eyes to Heaven, but simply begged God to have mercy upon him and forgive him? So often, God’s way of looking at things is very different from ours!–He says, “My thoughts are not your thoughts!–Neither are your ways My ways!” (Isaiah 55:8,9) Although that Publican’s sins were undoubtedly many, because of his honest and humble confession and recognition of the fact that he was a sinner–one who needed God’s help–Jesus said he was the one who left the Temple justified that day!–Not the Pharisee who was so proud of his own goodness and his own righteousness, that he didn’t even think he needed God’s help at all!–If anything, he probably felt that he was doing God a favor by honoring Him with his prayers!
But in the sight of God, self-righteous religious pride like this Pharisee manifested is the greatest and worst of all sins!–That hypocritical “holier-than-thou” attitude, that causes people who are self-righteous to despise and look down on others who they don’t consider as holy or pure or faithful or good as they think they are! When people get this way, others usually find them to be the hardest, most narrow-minded and intolerant folks they ever met! Because instead of loving, forgiving and understanding others, they’re always criticizing, judging and condemning folks who don’t do all the “good” things that they do!
The Gospels tell us that, “When the Pharisees saw Jesus sitting down and eating a meal with many Publicans and sinners who came and sat with Him, they were enraged, and asked His Disciples, ‘How can your Master eat with unclean Publicans and sinners?’ But Jesus answered them, ‘You need to go and learn what this means; ‘I desire mercy, and not sacrifice!’” (Matthew 9:10-13)–In other words, what He was saying was, “I would rather see you have love and mercy, and not just your dutiful keeping of the Law and making of sacrifices!–I’d rather you’d give love to others than to just be so self-righteous and condemning!”
Let’s face it, none of us have any goodness of our own, anything good about us is only the Lord, and His goodness! God is the only One Who is good! His Word says, “All have sinned and come short of the glory of God.” (Romans 3:23) Everybody is bad except those who have faith and have the goodness of God, the love of God, the righteousness of God! Even St. Paul said, “In me, in my self, there is no good thing!” (Romans 7:18) Jesus got so infuriated by the hypocritical, self-righteous hypocrisy of the Pharisees that He told them that they were worse than the drunks and the prostitutes, the publicans and the sinners that they despised!–And that there was more chance for such sinners to make it to Heaven, than there was for them!
Jesus told them to their faces, “Truly I tell you, the Publicans and the harlots will go into the Kingdom of God before you!” (Matthew 21:31) He even told His own disciples, “Truly I tell you, unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Scribes and the Pharisees, you will certainly not enter into the Kingdom of Heaven!” (Matthew 5:20)–In other words, unless you are better than they are, you’ll never get to Heaven!-And the only way that you can be better than they were, is to have Christ’s righteousness, because the Pharisees were as good as anyone could possibly be in the natural.
Jesus so hated the Pharisees’ hypocritical pretense, pretending to be so righteous and right all the time, that in the most bitter denunciation He ever uttered against anyone, He publicly told them, “Woe unto you, Scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you make clean the outside of the cup and of the plate, but within you are full of extortion and filthiness! You blind Pharisee, clean first that which is within the cup and the plate, then the outside of them may be clean also!
“WOE unto you, Scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you are like white-washed tombs, which indeed look beautiful on the outside, but on the inside are full of dead men’s bones and everything unclean! In the same way, on the outside you appear to others as righteous, but on the inside you are full of hypocrisy and iniquity!” (Matthew 23:25-28)
The thing that made the Pharisees so self-righteous and hypocritical was their pride!–They were too proud to confess that they were sinners like everyone else. In fact, they not only couldn’t confess their sins, they couldn’t even see their sins! They couldn’t admit that there was anything that could possibly be wrong with them, and therefore they became “blind leaders of the blind”! (Matthew 15:14) It’s almost a relief to know you’re bad, to honestly admit that you’re not good. After all, God has said so in His Word, that nobody is good! That’s why the worst kind of people in the sight of God are those who pretend to be good and look down on everybody else. His Word says, “There is none righteous, no, not one! Therefore, by grace are we saved through faith, and that not of ourselves. It is the gift of God, not of our own works or goodness, lest any man should boast.” (Romans 3:10; Ephesians 2:8,9) We just need to be honest and confess, “I’m no good, I’m bad, I’m a sinner, of course I make mistakes!–Anything good about me is only Jesus!”
God’s idea of righteousness is not the supposedly sinless perfectionist, but the pitiful, hopeless, humble, sinful sinner who knows he needs God!–Those are the ones He came to save! “For I came not to call the righteous,” Jesus said, “but sinners!” (Matthew 9:13) God’s idea of goodness is godliness–a sinner who knows he needs God and depends on Him for Salvation.–Not the self-made, self-righteous, hypocritical Pharisees who think they can save themselves by their own goodness!
God’s idea of saintliness is a sinner saved by grace, a sinner who has no perfection, no righteousness of his own at all, but is totally dependent on the grace and the love and the mercy of God!–And believe it or not, those are the only kind of saints there are! There are no others!
So which of the two are you like?–The Pharisee?–Or the Publican?
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Prayer: Lord Jesus, we know that self-righteousness is pride, and pride is the opposite of love and humility. So, Lord, please give us love today. Help us not to condemn others, or ever think or pray, “I thank You, O God, that I am not as this man.” If we’re critical, lifted up in pride and glad we’re not as bad as others, then we are even worse!
You said, “I will have mercy and not sacrifice.” We must spend time alone with You to learn what this means! Lord, please help us to love and forgive other men’s sins as You have forgiven us! And help us to have mercy upon others as You have had mercy upon us.–In Jesus’ name we pray, amen.
Dear EndTimes,
Thank you for your kind words. I, too, feel that our disagreements needn’t prevent us from having interesting discussions. Onwards!
“Peter clearly states that one of the signs that will be seen before the second coming of Christ will be people that “scoff” at the creation and the flood.”
As I previously mentioned, it take no great leap of imagination to predict that there would come a time when people would disagree with him. He’d already experienced plenty of people disagreeing with him.
“II Peter 3:4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.
My dear FuManchu, does this not indeed succinctly summarize the Uniformitarian principle precisely which is the foremost and outstanding argument against creation and the flood as Dr. Hovind has correctly pointed out for many years?”
Not really. It looks to me as if it’s just a request for evidence of Jesus’ return. “All things continue as they were” isn’t a scientific statement, it’s simply pointing out that Jesus has not yet returned – that everything has continued as normal for centuries. The paragraph might be rewritten as “How do we know Jesus will return? Nothing’s happened for thousands of years to give us any reason to think He will”. I’ll pass over “since the fathers fell asleep”, which I’ve yet to see anyone work into a Uniformitarian argument. I also note that “from the beginning of the creation” doesn’t sound like the kind of thing an atheist would say to deny creationism.
“II Peter 3:5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:
Does this not again summarize the next most quoted argument against creation and the flood, that is the “great age of the earth?””
As I’ve already mentioned, it does nothing of the sort. The important phrase to the writer would seem to be “By the word of God”, not “the heavens were of old”. It gives every impression of having been written to assure people that God created everything, not to tell them about ages.
Dear Inna,
there is a brief article on the name Jesus here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yeshua_(name)
basically when thet septuagint was written both Yeshua and Yehoshuah got translated into Iesous= Jesus.
The psalmist refers to God Almighty’s name as Jah.
So Hosea [deliverer] and Yeshua [Saviour] and Yahoshua [God Almighty will save] all got contracted and transliterated in Jesus.
The psalmist said in his own way that no other name would be given by which man would be saved.
Then in the book of acts baptisms were only performed in the name of Jesus.
Which points to the name of God Almighty, the name of the Holy Spirit and the Name of the Son all being formed and found in the name Jesus.
The “yod hey” being totally hidden in Jesus.
This suggests that if a man is not baptized in and into Jesus they are not baptized at all.
Jesus said baptize in the name of, not names of ……….
I can’t say anymore on this than that. I suppose some people will hate me for saying this much.
EndTimes said:
Lastly, you are talking about I John 2:18 and how the many antichrists are already here and likewise in I John 4:3 with the spirit of antichrist which is already here. Simply put, you will need to recognize that there is a PERSON, PEOPLE AND SPIRIT of antichrist just as there is likewise the PERSON (Jesus), PEOPLE(His church) AND SPIRIT (Holy Spirit) of God working here on the earth. So, please do not confuse the work of the “people” of antichrist with the “person” of antichrist who is not yet here.
Well, EndTimes, I am going to take your advice and believe the bible over man. And since the bible says that the anti-christ was around in the first century, and you, a man, tells me that he was not, I’m going to take the bible’s word over yours. Your explanation of “Person People Spirit” is not found in the bible therefore it is an invention of MAN and therefore corrupt.
I’m not sure how much more mileage we can get out of going around the same circles over and over. I have enjoyed talking with you and may be willing to keep going, if you’re interested and can suggest an interesting topic. But I think one of your allies summed up my position best. He said “I had to surrender my intellect, I told him, ‘Whatever you say God, your right and I’m wrong, if you say the sky is green, then my eyes are wrong.’
Guess what, I found out the Bible was true after all.” What a telling, truthful statement. It sums up everything I’ve been trying to say so succinctly it should win a prize. In order for the bible to make any sense, you have to stop using your intellect, logic, reason, and all your senses. That’s the only way. He could only perceive the bible as being true after admitting that it went against everything he could see and everything his logic and reason were telling him. When you stop thinking logically, anything can make sense.
Millerfamily6
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Mr. Rusosure,
In defense of Endtimes, I’d say you seem to have a problem with pride, yourself. It sure seems that way from reading your posts! You have a problem with a Bible believing Christian quoting Scripture? And what did the One whom you call Lord, do? What is your problem, Mr. Rusosure, that you cannot stand for a Christian to quote Scripture? It is the ONLY way to teach someone about Christ Jesus by the power of the Holy Spirit, mind you. What do you suggest Christians use…humanistic, philosophical thinking? Look in the mirror “dude” (by the way that is not how our Lord Jesus would refer to a brother). I would say that Mr. Endtimes is more humble than yourself, comparing both of your writings.
You did not show the charity part that you quoted in your last post to our brother Endtimes of which you accused him of not showing. Is that not hypocritical?
Have fun on your other blogsites, Mr. Rusosure:0)
People in glass houses should not throw stones.
Proverbs 11:9: An hypocrite with his mouth destroyeth his neighbour: but through knowledge shall the just be delivered.
Luke 6:41-42: And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother’s eye, but perceivest not the beam that is in thine own eye? Either how canst thou say to thy brother, Brother, let me pull out the mote that is in thine eye, when thou thyself beholdest not the beam that is in thine own eye? Thou hypocrite, cast out first the beam out of thine own eye, and then shalt thou see clearly to pull out the mote that is in thy brother’s eye.
John 13:34-35: A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another. By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.
Matthew 24:35-40 Then one of them, which was a lawyer, asked him a question, tempting him, and saying, Master, which is the great commandment in the law? Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.
1 Corinthians 13:1-13: Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal. And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing. And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, and have not charity, it profiteth me nothing. Charity suffereth long, and is kind; charity envieth not; charity vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up,
Doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil; Rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth; Beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things. Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away. For we know in part, and we prophesy in part. But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away. When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things. For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known. And now abideth faith, hope, charity, these three; but the greatest of these is charity.
Charity = Love!
Do you think that the Lord has gone quiet for the last 2000 years since the apostles? I don’t think so, he is very much alive and well and speaks directly to people daily through his wonderful Holy Spirit! I think that the best way to teach someone about Jesus Christ our Lord and Gods plan of salvation is indeed directly from the scriptures, but you are narrow minded if you think this is the only way to reach the lost and bring them to the Lord.
Love is the best way to reach the poor hungry lost souls of this world, Jesus’ sacrifice for us was made in pure love, he even lovingly forgave the Romans who cruelly whipped, tortured and crucified him. He forgave them for they knew not what they did.
God’s Law of Love! Amazing Grace!
“For the Law was given by Moses, but Grace and Truth came by Jesus Christ!” (John 1:17) “Christ is the end of the Law (of Moses)!” (Romans 10:4)
In the beginning, God created Man to freely and willingly choose to love and obey Him as His Own grateful, thankful children. He really preferred that our life of obedience and service to Him be totally by love, grace and faith, and there were very few rules, very few laws, everything was to be done voluntarily out of love.–That was God’s original plan.
But as Man became more and more disobedient and wicked, God had to give him more and more stringent laws, rules and regulations. These laws were not made for the righteous, because the good man doesn’t harm or do wrong to his neighbor, the righteous one loves. But they were made for the wrongdoers, the evil people, the wicked.
The laws were given for the people who do not have love, those who do evil, unloving and harmful things. The Bible says of the Laws of Moses that “The Law was not made for the righteous, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers.” (1Timothy 1:9)
What do you have to do with a wild animal, a ravenous beast that will bite or destroy you?–You have to either put him in a cage, or kill him! Well, wicked, rebellious, ungodly, unsaved, evil Man is worse than a wild animal!–Which is why God had to cage him in with strict laws!
So because Man didn’t follow love, grace and faith, God had to crack down with the rules, the cage of the Law for the transgressors! But the rules couldn’t save Man, they only showed him where he was wrong. “For by observing and keeping the Law, no one can be justified or declared righteous in God’s sight; but through the Law we only become conscious of sin.” (Romans 3:20). In fact, it is impossible for anyone to be good according to the Laws of Moses! The Mosaic Law makes every one of us a sinner, because not one of us can keep it! “There is none righteous, no, not one! For all have sinned and come short!” (Romans 3:10,23)
The Law was only our teacher, our instructor or “schoolmaster”, as the Bible says, to show us that we’re sinners, to make us realize that we need to come to God for mercy and forgiveness, and to show us His absolute perfection and perfect righteousness which is impossible for us to attain!: “The Law was our schoolmaster, to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.” (Galatians 3:24)
The Bible says that “The Lord loves a cheerful giver.” (2Corinthians 9:7) Like any parent, He far prefers that His children willingly and cheerfully obey Him and do what He asks simply because they love Him and want to please Him and do what’s right. If a child only obeys because he’s forced to obey and has to obey, because it’s the law, or because of fear of punishment or fear of judgment etc., that’s no proof of the child’s love for his parent.
In fact, God would have preferred to have trusted His people, His children, with total freedom, if they had been more humble and honest and had more love, consideration, unselfishness, thoughtfulness and real concern for each other, loving everybody and not wanting to hurt anybody and just wanting to help everybody. “For where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty!” (2Corinthians 3:17)
Freedom and liberty are God’s ideal, His ultimate, His plan from the very beginning! And it’s almost like He’s been trying to bring His people step-by-step out of bondage towards this goal throughout the Ages. He brought the Jews out of their slavery in Egypt, but then they were in bondage to the harsh and rigid rules of Moses–the Law! Then along came Jesus with His love, grace, mercy, forgiveness and truth–our Salvation: “For the Law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ!” (John 1:17) He came and showed us that salvation and true righteousness was not by works, but by the grace of God alone!–”For by grace are we saved through faith, and that not of ourselves, it is the Gift of God!–Not by our own works!” (Ephesians 2:8,9)
So the Early Christians were liberated spiritually, they found spiritual freedom and Salvation, but they were still somewhat in bondage to some of the old customs, traditions and laws which were hangovers from their Jewish past and background that they couldn’t quite break loose from.
But Jesus Himself never gave them any laws, except the Law of Love! When the self-righteous, hypocritical, religious leaders questioned Him, “Master, which is the great commandment in the Law?”, He replied, “Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself.” (Matthew 22:37-39)
He then shocked them by continuing to say, “On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets!” (Matthew 22:40) They had literally thousands of complicated, ritualistic, restrictive religious laws, but Jesus told them that they now only needed two: Love God and love others!–That’s all! He said, “In this is the whole Bible!”
Jesus said that this one simple Law, Love, is all the Law as well as all the Prophets! That takes in the entire Old Testament, “the Law and the Prophets”! Jesus said that’s the whole works, the whole Bible, that’s all the Law you need–Love! In other words, if you love God and you love others, what do you need with any other laws? If you really love others, you’re not going to hurt them, you’re not going to be selfish, you’re not going to do anything that will hurt anybody else!–Right?
Therefore Jesus’ Law Of Love frees us from the old Law and is all-encompassing, all-absorbing and all-fulfilling! God’s only Law is now Love, and as long as something is done in love with real, unselfish, even sacrificial love, God’s Love, then it is absolutely lawful in God’s eyes!–No matter whether it be a sin in the eyes of the church or immoral in the eyes of man, it is still absolutely innocent in the eyes of God if you do it in Love!
The Bible says, “The fruit of the Spirit is love; and against such love there is no law!” (Galatians 5:22,23)–Against pure love, the unselfish sacrificial Love of God and your fellow man, there is no law of God!
Jesus said, “I am not come to destroy the Law or the Prophets, but to fulfill!” (Matthew 5:17)–And by fulfilling it, He ended it, therefore we are no longer required to keep the Laws of Moses of the Old Testament! “For Christ is the end of the Law, so that there may be righteousness for everyone who believes!” (Romans 10:4) This is the Word of God from God’s Own Book, the Bible!–Do you believe it?–Do you realize what this means?
Through God’s Law of Love we are freed from the bondage of the old Law into total and complete freedom of life and liberty through Love! “There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus. For the Law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set me free from the Law of sin and death!” (Romans 8:1,2)
God’s grace through Jesus’ Law of Love is the end of the old Law for the believers in Jesus! Paul preached sermon after sermon and wrote letter after letter showing that the old Law was finished, it was done with, period!–The Mosaic Law is done away with for the Christian who is living under grace and under God’s Law of Love! “We are now delivered from the Law, that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter of the Law.–Christ has redeemed us from the curse of the Law! And all things are lawful to us!” (Romans 7:6; Galatians 3:13; 1Corinthians 6:12)
The Ten Commandments are no longer the law for the followers of Jesus! God only has one Law now for Christians: The Law of Jesus, the Law of Love, “to love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and thy neighbor as thyself!” (Matthew 22:36-39)-That’s what Jesus said! Of course this proclamation of liberty infuriated the legalistic Jews of Jesus’ day and their self-righteous religious leaders who prided themselves in being followers of the Laws of Moses. They cried out against Jesus’ doctrine, saying, “This is against Moses and against the Law!” (Acts 6:13,14; 21:28)–And they were right!
This was the most raging religious controversy between Jesus and the Jews! It was also the most raging controversy between St. Paul and the legalists, the “Concision”, the “Circumcision”, converted Christian Jews who said, “Yes, we now believe in Jesus, but we still have to keep all the old Law, the Ten Commandments, the Sabbath, the Mosaic Law etc!” (Acts 15:1,5)
Sad to say, we still have many Christians with us today who are just like those legalistic Concision members of the Early Church!–They’re not completely enlightened, they don’t realize that Jesus is enough, that His grace is sufficient, that His Love is all we need. They’re still preaching the Mosaic Law with one hand while preaching Christ with the other!
But according to Jesus Himself, God’s children today are no longer under the Laws of Moses! We are under grace and under Love! For us the old Law is gone forever! Thank God! We now only have to keep Jesus’ Law of Love, God’s only Law–LOVE! For the Laws of Moses are no more binding to the believer in Jesus! We are to “Stand steadfastly in the liberty with which Christ has made us free, and do not be snared again in the yoke of bondage” to the Mosaic Law! (Galatians 5:1)
“For all the Law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself!” (Galatians 5:14)-Think about it!–ALL the Law is fulfilled by ONE new and glorious commandment: LOVE! “Therefore, do to others what you would have them do to you; for this is the Law and the Prophets!” (Matthew 7:12) We are to “Owe no man anything, but to love one another: For he that loves his fellowman has fulfilled the Law!” (Romans 13:8) If you have love, you have everything! You are fulfilling all the laws of God!
God’s only Law is Love! There is now no other law, no Mosaic Laws, no church laws!–Those laws don’t even exist any more as far as we’re concerned! They are only to regulate the ungodly, as He says in 1Tim.1:9, and by which the unrighteous who are violating God’s Law of Love will be judged.
“God is Love” (1John 4:8), and for those who are filled with His Spirit of Love, love is the only rule! “For if you are led of the Spirit, you are not under the Law!” (Galatians 5:18) If you love one another, anything the Lord leads you to do is perfectly lawful in the sight of God. As long as whatever you’re doing is in love and not hurting anybody, how can you go wrong?
Whatever you do in the unselfish sacrificial Love of Jesus is right and lawful! Whatever you do in Love is the Law–and that’s all, that’s it! God’s only Law is Love! We are delivered from the old Mosaic Law and no longer bound by it–we are free! Now all things are lawful to us in love, praise God! As long as it’s done in Love, it keeps God’s only Law of Love!
Of course, knowing and realizing this gives us a lot of freedom. But in many ways His Law of Love is actually the most binding Law of all!–Because God’s Law of Love not only says you can’t do bad things to others, it says that you’ve also got to love everybody!
So in many ways, the Law of Love is even more strict than the Mosaic Law! The Ten Commandments said that we were just to do that which was just and righteous, “Thou shalt not worship other gods, thou shalt not kill, thou shalt not steal etc. etc.”–All negative! But under Jesus’ Law of Love we are to have more positive Love than mere justice and righteousness, we are to have love and mercy and forgiveness!
So although we are liberated from Moses and his laws, it’s not a selfish, reckless freedom wherein we are free to disregard our neighbors and act unkindly, selfishly and lawlessly to them! We are now obligated to not only dutifully not harm or hurt others because the Law says so, but we are to go beyond mere duty and be positively good to others because we want to, because we love them!
Love is greater than righteousness, and mercy is greater than justice! We are now to treat others with love, mercy and kindness. In the Mosaic Law there was virtually no forgiving, and it was “an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth”! (Exodus 21:24; Leviticus 24:20) Moses said that if someone knocks out your eye or tooth, you’re allowed to knock out theirs!
But Jesus said, “Do unto others what you want them to do to you” (Matthew 7:12)–not just whatever they Do to you, but you should treat them the way you want them to treat you!–This is God’s Love. Jesus gave numerous examples in the “Sermon on the Mount”, saying, “In the old Law it is written so-and-so, but I say unto you”–and told them something entirely different! He said, “But I say unto you, love your enemies, forgive them!” (Matthew 5:38-44)—That’s the Law of Love!–Which shows it’s even greater and stricter than the old Mosaic Law!
So Jesus’ Law is actually much stricter, much more difficult to keep–in fact, impossible without Jesus! If the old Law was impossible, then Jesus’ Law is even more impossible! That’s why He says, “Without Me, you can do nothing!” (John 15:5) But He also says that we “Can do all things through Christ which strengthens us” (Philippians 4:13).–For “His grace is sufficient for us, His strength is made perfect in our weakness!” (2Corinthians 12:9)
You can’t possibly keep God’s Law of Love without His Power, unless you’re saved and you have Jesus in your heart, the Spirit of God’s Love within you, to give you the power and the strength to love others even more than you love yourself! But once you have received Jesus, then His Spirit in you can help you to do the humanly impossible: Love God with all your heart and your neighbor as yourself!
Of course most churches and conservative Christians today would say, “Okay, the Bible may say that ‘all things are lawful’ under Christ’s Law of Love (1Corinthians 6:12), but, this of course could not include, ahem, anything to do with sex!”–Because the churches have declared almost everything that has anything to do with your body or sex or pleasure as illegitimate, illegal, immoral, irreligious and unrighteous!
But “all things” being lawful for His loving, believing children really means “all things”!–Including sexual freedoms!–As long as what we’re doing is done in the unselfish, loving and sacrificial Love of God and not hurting anyone! Therefore according to the Scriptures, there is no longer any law against sex between a man and woman that is done in love, God’s Love! It is neither sin, nor adultery, nor fornication!–Those Mosaic Laws are gone!
After all, what was the purpose of the old Mosaic Law against adultery?–Even behind the old Laws there was the Love of God and His desire to keep people from hurting each other and damaging each other either physically or otherwise, even their feelings. So if we’re keeping God’s Law of Love, we’ll do our best to live in His Love, to help people, and to try not to hurt anyone.
This is the difference between lust and love: Lust is merely gratifying your own greedy selfish appetite, like eating a meal.–You may need it, but if you’re stealing it from someone else and taking the food out of their mouth to stuff your own, this is selfish lust, not love! But if you are taking the food out of your own mouth and giving your own meal to satisfy and feed another who is hungry and starving and needs it desperately and might not even survive without it, this is the real Love of God! “If you see your brother has a need, and you refuse to mercifully help him, how can the Love of God be in you?” (1John 3:17)
It’s all really judged by your motives, by your heart. God now only judges us according to whether we have His Love, or selfishness and lack of His Love. But if you know you’re acting in His Love, then you can go ahead by faith according to God’s Own Word and you don’t need anything else! If it is in His Love, it is lawful as far as God is concerned.
However, the Scripture also warns us, “Whatever is not of faith is sin!” (Romans 14:23)–If you think something is a sin or you believe it is unlawful, then to you it is a sin and unlawful!–An awful lot has to do with your own spiritual and mental attitude and how much faith you have. “Do you have faith? Have it to yourself before God. Happy is he who does not condemn himself in the things which he allows.” (Romans 14:22)
Of course, a lot of people don’t have faith for certain things because they don’t want to have faith for them. And people who are weak in faith are usually weak in their knowledge of God’s Word, because “faith comes by hearing the Word of God!” (Romans 10:17)
So if you want to believe and receive the truth and freedom that God’s Law of Love gives, just read back over the many Scriptures presented in this little lesson and pray and ask the Lord, “Open my eyes, that I may behold wonderful things out of Thy Word!” (Psalm 119:18)–His Word will give you faith!
However, you’ll find when reading through the New Testament, that even Paul and some of the Apostles still had a few old legalistic hangovers. As you can see by some of Paul’s writings, because of his love for the Jews–which led to his final compromise with them and his death (Acts 21)–he wrote a lot of things simply trying to keep his new converts out of trouble.–To solve a lot of marriage and sexual problems etc., he wrote his advice on what to do and how to do it, which bound them with quite a few Pauline Laws, most of which were not very free. In some of his advice on sexual matters, he frankly told them, “This speak I, not the Lord.” (1Corinthians 7:12)
Of course Jesus, in His life and ministry, was very free, and He broke the Mosaic and Jewish traditions time and time again, infuriating the religious leaders so much that they finally killed Him for it! But even when you read some of the things that Jesus said to the Pharisees and to the people, you need to remember to whom He was talking–Jews, who were still under the Mosaic Law.
Jesus was still preaching and living under the Age of Law before the Age of Grace had actually been fully ushered in by His Own death on the cross for our Salvation. The Bible says that Jesus “cancelled the written Law with its regulations, and He took it away, nailing it to His cross” (Colossians 2:14). It was on the Cross, at the very end of His ministry on Earth, that He proclaimed, “It is finished!” (John 19:30)
So although the Church has been bound by some of Paul’s own rules, and mostly their own traditions for ages, a prayerful and open-minded study of the Word of God makes it clear that the Lord intended for His children to be free under His Love and grace. And just like the Early Church and the dawning of the Christian era totally outdated, outmoded and overthrew the legalism and bondage of the Mosaic era, so we today are having to cast away all of the old legalistic traditions, conventions and holier-than-thou, hypocritical, self-righteous ness of much of the traditional church system of today!
“Why should creation be taught in schools? Because that’s the way man arrived on the planet! Creationists believe a sovereign God created everything out of nothing, while most evolutionists and atheists believe nothing created everything out of nothing! Or, nothing became something and something became everything! I choose to believe, “In the beginning, God created…” I choose to believe that because Scripture and science support that fact.
“The professor falls back on hyperbole to convince the uninformed that his philosophy/religion (not science since it doesn’t meet the definition of science) of evolution is a fact. He compares evolution to gravity, which shows his desperation. Then he said that evolution is not controversial among mainstream scientists and “among most of the general population.” Where is John living-in a cave?
“Some facts: An AP-NBC poll showed that about 86% of Americans support equal treatment of creation and evolution in public schools, and other polls show that most Americans believe in creation.
“According to USA Today, scientist Eugenie Scott is appalled that some of our presidential candidates also believe in fairness, reasonableness and balance. I have debated Eugenie at least twice and on Pat Buchanan’s radio show she admitted that God could have created the universe!
“Well, that is a huge concession for an avid evolutionist, and most evolutionists will not willingly go to the origins issue. They have to be pushed there. They want to jump over “billions of years” to Darwin’s mythical “warm, little pond.” Well, I’m ready to go to that pond (of which there is not a shred of evidence) but I first want to know where the pond came from! Where did the earth come from? What about the universe? Evolutionists stampede away from that issue like their hair is on fire! But I demand some answers before we get to the “pond.”
I thought this was an interesting article. I just cut a little out of the middle of it. The whole article is at
http://www.cstnews.com/Code/drboys.html
Ekkman
Hello Inna,
Let’s just say the observation I placed here (which has been made by others in some books) may be exclusive to the American Culture – the US culture & subsets to be exact. My wife is from the Philippines as of 2002 so I know how much cultural perspective impacts communication and misunderstandings. Her mother has spent much of her time in the Middle East & Central Europe which adds in another layer. (Kuwait & Switzerland / France to be exact) Inside the USA itself there are plentiful amounts of cross cultural misunderstandings. Further, my example is from personal experience compared with the experiences of others I know and it does include some from India, Russia, Asian countries and more.
To do the topic true justice would require a different forum. One devoted to a topic of Cross Cultural Examination of the Impact Cultural Perspectives Have in Relation to Religious Doctrine. That would be one massive loaded topic. All posters would need to think hard on metaphysical thinking and figure out what aspect in their lives impacted their views and how. Kinda hard to get into a right / wrong topic.
We actually agree on more than we disagree. I’ve also learned from experience that it takes a man / woman of exceptional drive / ambition/ independent thought to rise above the environment they were raised in and hone their skills to be an effective communicator. For a man/ woman to be the epitome of an effective communicator they would have to take into account the cultural and gender differences into their speaking style. So I agree it comes down to the individual. I purposefully made certain the lady who is now my wife did NOT communicate like my mother. So that’s 2 different communication methods in the same gender.
The Welder’s Wife gave a great example of the norm here. What I think it boils down to is what is the General Rule for the masses vs. the exceptional individual. I know my wife is in the exceptional category. There are still plenty of times when I have to pause and try and think where she is coming from on a topic though. In the end, we complete each other. As for the main thrust on the topic, we have to be on guard. In my life, the “wisdom of men” is far more often an oxymoron than a truthful statement.
darling -
We’ve been down this path before. Electrons do not defend the Big Bang through Macro-Evolution. Electrons may be hypothetical but are based in the present and our testing of them is limited by our technology. Big Bang through Macro-Evolution is based on speculation of the past. We can’t test the unrecorded past because you have to be able to observe (present time) the results of the test. If that isn’t agreeable, how about trying to pay all the money upfront for a new college degree only for someone to make assumptions on how you hypothetically could have performed and assign grades and whether or not you acquire the new degree? Pay money in full for a random chance at passing based on whim – with your future in the balance. Such illogical thought is what is being promoted.
Speculations based on conclusions based on unprovable assumptions can not, nor ever will give predictive (future) power. Any predictive power is limited to the area of the misnomer “micro-evolution”. It really is simple. Past – Present – Future. Predictions are for the future based on Observations of the present. I think you may need to go back to a chemistry or lab study and review the standard lesson format. I used to be a teacher and I still have the lesson guide books. (I bought them.) Need a copy?
rusosure -
Thanks for the compliment. I’ve thought about it but I don’t know if my ankles will let me do it. There are other logic examples I’ve generated to show the faulty reasoning. I could list them off or write them down for the average person to use. Not like I’m going to copyright them. I’ll summarize my logic stance. Past vs Present vs Future, + vs – , and knowing when there is insufficient information to formulate an answer (The trick story problems you dreaded in math class). Just my argument style.
Dear DQ,
You stated;
“I am going to take your advice and believe the bible over man. And since the bible says that the anti-Christ was around in the first century”
Can you please tell me where in scripture does it say that the anti- Christ or son of perdition had already come at the time of writing? Remember this has to also fit in with the time of the Gentiles comming and going(ma 24) and the Jews being cast out of their home land and return in the last days.
Samuel.
I disagree, Endtimes may not be perfect, but he loves the Lord. I for one really appreciate the time he has spent in the defence of Holy Scripture. He has spoken the truth on juncture and some individuals don’t like that. You being one.
Dear Samuel,
You state that you speak to me in love, yet I do not believe you. You asked if I would be willing to correspond with you about in depth Bible issues and I agreed. There have been a couple of other very mature men that have done that and I have greatly enjoyed our exchanges. However, none of these men ventured over in to the realm of personal counseling as you did with your very first email to me. From your first lengthy post, you focused on the state of your “marriage” or better put lack thereof even though I believe you have already had 3 children. To say the least, your emails with such deep personal information to someone you don’t even know made me very uncomfortable right from the start. In addition, I had the sense that you were seeking my approval of your personal relationship and in a sense wanted me to condone it and justify it. With a great deal of tact, I answered your first two emails in a very loving and encouraging manner which you acknowledged to me that you indeed need to obey all of the Scriptures of which marriage is tantamount. However, you persisted. You would send me emails to the effect of “are you ignoring me?” of which I would then correspond with you again.
The episode that you are referring to where I did not “lovingly” correspond to you is when you sent a very long diatribe on the justification of adultery and fornication by a Christian if it is done “with the love of God.” You included a website that espoused that doctrine of which I was greatly incensed. Samuel, I do not condone any Christian or any man committing fornication (sex outside of marriage) and I will not be swayed even by personal attacks, putting my real name on this website or anything else. You have no hold over me. In fact my real name is Peter Laird. There, I have saved you a step in your diatribe against me of which I take the greatest umbrage with your post. Here is the website that I quite sharply rebuked (Not you) and that you call unloving.
But “all things” being lawful for His loving, believing children really means “all things”!–Including sexual freedoms!–As long as what we’re doing is done in the unselfish, loving and sacrificial Love of God and not hurting anyone! Therefore according to the Scriptures, there is no longer any law against sex between a man and woman that is done in love, God’s Love! It is neither sin, nor adultery, nor fornication!–Those Mosaic Laws are gone!
http://www.thefamily.org/word/treasures/index2.php3?refid=31
It is between you and God as to whether you will or will not obey His Scriptures. If you wish to justify any false doctrine that you wish to by whatever guru you wish, I CAN NOT STOP YOU, BUT I WILL NOT PERSONALLY CONDONE YOUR SINFUL AND WILLFUL DISOBEDIENCE AGAINST THE HOLY SCRIPTURES. IT IS YOUR LIFE, NOT MINE, I HAVE COUNSELED IN A GODLY FASHION, IN PRIVATE AND IN CONFIDENCE AND I HAVE BEEN PATIENT WITH YOUR PERSISTANT CHALLENGES TO ME TO ACCEPT YOUR DEVIENT INTERPRETATION OF THE SCRIPTURES THAT IN YOUR MIND JUSTIFY FORNICATION IF IT IS DONE “IN THE LOVE OF GOD.” AND YOUR RESPONSE TO THIS IS TO BETRAY THIS CONFIDENCE. WELL SO BE IT. IT IS WHAT IT IS.
In the last 6 weeks, there has been an unprecedented number of “Christians” espousing directly conflicting unbiblical personal doctrines that make the commandments of God of none effect. If you wish to do this, I cannot stop you but I will always fulfill my duties as a watchman to warn the wicked and the righteous. (Ezekiel 33) I will preach the full counsel of God without any diminishing of the literal truth of the Bible. (Acts 20:26-27) It is my hope that CSE will stand for the true literal interpretation of Scriptures which means those that participate on this blog will need to choose today whether they will serve the Lord for if more people do not speak up against the outrages against Paul the Apostle for one and the Scriptures in the purity that they were ONCE delivered, then yes, I will gladly leave this site and fight the Lord’s battles elsewhere. So, it is in your hands people.
This blog was at no risk from the evolutionists without, yet the enemies of God’s Holy Word from the inside could reduce this site to complete heretical teachings which would not honour Kent Hovind’s longstanding support of the true literal Word of God. I pray that the Holy men and women of God will stand up to this outrage before us today before all is lost on this site.
Most sincerely,
Peter Laird, aka EndTimes
Titus 1:9 Holding fast the faithful word as he hath been taught, that he may be able by sound doctrine both to exhort and to convince the gainsayers.
10 For there are many unruly and vain talkers and deceivers, specially they of the circumcision:
11 Whose mouths must be stopped, who subvert whole houses, teaching things which they ought not, for filthy lucre’s sake.
12 One of themselves, even a prophet of their own, said, The Cretians are alway liars, evil beasts, slow bellies.
13 This witness is true. Wherefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith;
14 Not giving heed to Jewish fables, and commandments of men, that turn from the truth.
15 Unto the pure all things are pure: but unto them that are defiled and unbelieving is nothing pure; but even their mind and conscience is defiled.
16 They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.
This is for Kent,
I heard you preach several times at Macus Pointe and had also been to your house several times for different events. I absolutely loved what you had done to your back yard and especially like the way you and your family opened up your home and shared it with so many other christians. The fellowship was awsome and so was your family. Your wife Jo is such a beautiful lady most of us would give anything to play the piano like she could. As a single divorced person when I would see you two together I would often feel jealous, as you seemed to have it all; ie, A beautiful home, family, sucessful & thriving business and more friends then one could ever hope to have in ones lifetime! Now all I see and hear about what is that your life became consumed with greed and money.
It saddens me as a christian because so many people looked up to you as a leader and yet you decided you were above the law. I sure would like to have 46,000 dollars just laying around my house and not have to share anything with uncle sam! Don’t you think the rightful thing to do is just step up to the plate and admit that you messed up by not paying your taxes, instead of following Bill Clinton’s example and saying NO I didn’t enhale. You got caught with you hand in the cookie jar and now you have to pay the piper!
And after getting arrested trying to convince people you didn’t speak and write english real well and you wanted to give up your citizenship, why, so you could skip the country with all you money and never be able to be brought back for trial, now how could you try to con everyone, especilly GOD. When rich, prosperous Christians in the puplic eye try cry wolf when they get caught doing bad things, it often enbarrasses me to admit to people I’m a christian because of the mockery you and many others have made of christianity. So just do the right thing for all the unsaved folks looking at you to do the right thing…..sherry
This one’s for Aussie Phillip George:
G’day Aussie Bro!
I’ve been down that road before on the subject of ‘Yeshua’. The bottom line is: Is the Yeshua that you are refering to ‘The spotless Lamb of God, God’s Son, whom God the Father sacrificed in your place?’ In the USA ‘Jesus’ is a common name among people of Latin descent. We don’t pray to those guys!!!!!! & neither are we baptized in their name! In Spanish ‘George’ is pronounce ‘Horr-gay’, & ‘Jesus’ is pronounced ‘Hey-suz’. My Pastor’s name is Phillip, but we all call him ‘Phil’!
Here’s some more: Aussies pronounce Isaiah differently than Yanks. They also pronounce ‘Tomatoes’ differently, & ‘Airplane’, & Aussies shorten a lot of things like ‘Veggies’ instead of ‘Vegetables’, & ‘Ta’ enstead of ‘Thank-you’…. & the list goes on & on.
Ok! So why do I use ‘Yeshua’ instead of ‘Jesus’? [Actually I use both, depending on which culture I am dealing with.] I serve the Lord in 2 different ministries. One is geared for reaching Gentiles & the other one is geared for reaching Jews.[ When God sends people to be missionaries to other cultures, He requires them to learn the culture that He is sending them to, & the language, & the history.] In the Messianic movement we refer to ‘Jesus’ as ‘Yeshua’ because for the past 17 or 18 hundred years Jewish people have been persecuted in the name of ‘Jesus’! Check out your history if you don’t believe me. We also refer to the ‘cross’ as the ‘execution-stake’ or the ‘Wood’ or the ‘Tree’ that Yeshua was nailed to, because for the past 17 or 18 hundred years ‘Christians’ have persucuted Jews useing the sign of the cross. When you mention a ‘cross’ to a Jewish person, they are just as likely to associate what you are saying with Hitler, because on occasions he use the sign of the cross in his evil doing. They are more likely to listen to you if you use the term ‘execution-stake’.
Do you know that there are 50,000 abortions annually in Israe? Most of them are for economic reasons. Israel is only about 300 miles long. Do you know that they teach the theory of evolution in all the government schools in Israel? Do you know that there was a gay parade in Jerusalem recently? Do you know that they need to hear the Creation Science Message desperately? They are certain that Abraham existed, but anybody beyond Noah they have doubts about especially Adam! They don’t comprehend that the Flood of Noah was a global event. How are they going to be motivated to put their trust in Messiah if they don’t believe that all people inherited a sin nature from Adam? At this point they are not really sure if God is telling them the truth because they don’t believe the first 11 chapters of Genesis. They have the same problems that Christianity does when it come to the devastation that the theory of evolution has caused. I constantly look for ways to take the Creation Science Message to them, & sometimes G-d gives me those opportunities. Most of the time I don’t get there using Yeshua’s English-Gentile name.
God looks at the heart of the issue, & what’s the motivation, & not the spelling or the pronouniation of His Name.
May God give you a heart for the Jewish people. May you weep buckets of tears over their spiritual condition!
In Yeshua God’s Lamb,
The Welder’s Wife.
Dear Gorge:
You stated: Can you please tell me where in scripture does it say that the anti- Christ or son of perdition had already come at the time of writing? Remember this has to also fit in with the time of the Gentiles comming and going(ma 24) and the Jews being cast out of their home land and return in the last days.
I’ve already posted it at least twice.
“Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.” — 1 John 2:18
And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
If you have a problem with this anti-christ coming at a time that does not fit with Matthew 24, I suggest you take it up with the holy spirit that told John to write that the end times were happening in the first century. Also, I think that for you to bring up Matthew 24 is intellectually dishonest because you know as well as I do that after Jesus predicted all those things he clearly stated that all of those things would happen within the lifetimes of the people that were there listening to him. That statement of Jesus’s is clearly why John believed that he was living in the end times. Peter also believed he was living in the end times, no doubt because of Jesus’s prediction: But the end of all things is at hand: be ye therefore sober, and watch unto prayer. I Peter 4:7 (Also see I Peter 1:20) Oh yeah, and the author of Hebrews also believed he was living in the end times: Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds; Hebrews 1:2
Once again the prophecies of the bible turn into a tangled mess. I’m sure you will be able to use some tortured logic to straighten it out in your mind. (Here’s a hint- maybe when John said “anti-christ,” he really meant “Assyrians!” Of course! Now it all fits!)
Wow, some pretty serious intra-faith bickering going on here. I gotta go with EndTimes though, if there is one thing the bible is clear on it’s no sex outside of marriage. It’s not even too keen on sex inside of marriage!
This disagreement does bring one very important point to the front though. The bible is so vague and contradictory that anyone can pick and choose the right verses and make it say anything they want it to say. EndTimes is so invested in finding prophecies about Jesus that he can find one word that seems to match and cling to it like the last life jacket on the Titanic, even though the whole rest of the prophecy is sinking beneath his feet with talk of defeating Assyrians. Samuel is so desperate to justify his affair that he can find a couple verses, twist them around, ignore volumes of scripture that say the opposite, and voila! a defense of adultery! The bible was used to justify American slavery, burning of witches, all kinds of things. It goes back to what I said before- one of the worst things about christianity is that it allows bad people to pretend to be good people. Nobody gets up in the morning and decides that they are going to be evil. People need a way to justify things to themselves, and the bible is the perfect example. Samuel knows what he is doing is wrong, but he uses the bible to calm him conscience into silence. Despite all of the other inconsistencies in the bible, the one thing it is pretty consistent and crystal clear on is adultery, so if Samuel can defend adultery with the bible, then you can defend anything with it.
EndTimes: Wow, I checked out that website, and I must say some of their logic makes your “‘Assyrian’ defense” look almost sorta clear. I love the way that everything, even sexual freedoms, are ok as long as they’re done in love, unless it’s two guys that love each other, that’s still icky. Like I said, you can make it say anything you want.
[EDITOR'S NOTE: You are still a teenager, aren't you? Some teens, think that they "know it all". Well, by age 30 you'll come to some maturity. In the meantime please don't call honest (and educated) disagreements as mere "bickering" as though one as lofty as yourself could not stoop so low. You even admit that you know nothing about the Bible. Then you pontificate "down" to us. You wrote: "The bible is so vague and contradictory..." So, you are ignorant. (Not intended to insult, but to describe your condition.) And you need to open a Bible sometime and take a look at Song of Solomon. Please stop immaturely sneering at those above you. You have much to learn, young one. P.A. ]
Ekkman
“I have debated Eugenie at least twice and on Pat Buchanan’s radio show she admitted that God could have created the universe!
“Well, that is a huge concession for an avid evolutionist…”
Only if your understanding of the issue is fundamentally flawed.
Maturekid
“Electrons do not defend the Big Bang through Macro-Evolution.”
Fortunately, they’re not intended to. They’re intended to show that your understanding of the scientific method is wrong, wrong, wrong. Case in point:
“Electrons may be hypothetical but are based in the present and our testing of them is limited by our technology.”
Do you seriously think electrons are unscientific?
“Big Bang through Macro-Evolution is based on speculation of the past. We can’t test the unrecorded past because you have to be able to observe (present time) the results of the test.”
If only we could make testable inferences about the past based upon observations of the present…
“Predictions are for the future based on Observations of the present.”
Yes. Yes they are. Science makes them all the time.
[EDITOR'S NOTE: Evolution is not science. At best it is a temporary theory. Some evolutionists like to resort to name-calling, that creationists are "flat-earthers" or claiming that we disagree with gravity, etc. We love science, real science, that is. Scientists stood against Louis Pasteur. Scientists stood against Emil Semmelweis. Scientists stood against Albert Einstein, and against Galileo too. They're only human. Disagreeing with the consensus of scientists, in the name of science, is sometimes a good thing.
Please cease with the "fundamentally flawed" stuff, as if hiding from our Maker no matter what, is a prerequisite for modern science. If the "scientific method" is using peer pressure (a.k.a. peer review) with "publish or perish" combined with underlying human sinfulness, then there is a structural problem with always relying on the consensus to steer us right.
If you want to link to a few sites (?) where folks can get some good info defending your contentions, great. But unfortunately I must curtail a full science (creation) vs. religion (the other side) debate within this blog. Put in a few links in your reply if you'd like. We already know what the "scientific consensus" is, and we also know what real science shows to those who can think for themselves and who are strong enough inside to have looked at both sides of this important debate. P.A. ]
20Sherry
Said this at 11:59pm:
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This is for Kent,
… Now all I see and hear about what is that your life became consumed with greed and money.
It saddens me as a christian because so many people looked up to you as a leader and yet you decided you were above the law. I sure would like to have 46,000 dollars just laying around my house and not have to share anything with uncle sam! Don’t you think the rightful thing to do is just step up to the plate and admit that you messed up by not paying your taxes, instead of following Bill Clinton’s example and saying NO I didn’t enhale. You got caught with you hand in the cookie jar and now you have to pay the piper!
And after getting arrested trying to convince people you didn’t speak and write english real well and you wanted to give up your citizenship, why, so you could skip the country with all you money and never be able to be brought back for trial, now how could you try to con everyone, especilly GOD. When rich, prosperous Christians in the puplic eye try cry wolf when they get caught doing bad things, it often enbarrasses me to admit to people I’m a christian because of the mockery you and many others have made of christianity. So just do the right thing for all the unsaved folks looking at you to do the right thing…..sherry
Ekkman said,
Sherry, you said, “Now all I see and hear about what is that your life became consumed with greed and money.”
I have a few questions. Where did you “see and hear” what you saw and heard? Also did you check information on the other side of the coin? Did you read all of the blogs that have been going on here at this site?
Ekkman
Dear Peter aka Endtimes,
2 Timothy 2:9: Wherein I suffer trouble, as an evil doer, even unto bonds; but the word of God is not bound.
Hebrews 4:12: For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
I hoped and prayed that you would not react like this, and that you would see what I was trying to get across to you but instead you have re-enforced my above points with your heartless post.
I would like to set the record straight for all on this blog. And for anyone who is genuinely interested, without bias and taking sides, will spend the time needed to read through all of this lengthy post and the correspondence between us.
Forgive me for the length but it is necessary in this instance to get the truth across.
The picture Endtimes has painted of others and of me is a very negative one and on the most part not a good representation. I hope that by reading the email correspondence between us you can see past this negative blog response by Endtimes and see the truth.
I really hoped it wouldn’t come to this but I now have no choice but to sock it to you with the Word of God.
I have put all of Endtimes text orignially posted in bold italic, all scripture quoted by me in bold and all other comments from myself are normal text.
Dear Lord Jesus please help me to get this important message across without being self righteous & proud myself
Here goes….
EndTimes
Said this at 9:16pm:
“Dear Samuel,
You state that you speak to me in love, yet I do not believe you. You asked if I would be willing to correspond with you about in depth Bible issues and I agreed.”
John 13:35: By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.
Ok, you say you don’t believe I speak in Love, I will post the entire conversations we had via email right at the end and let others make up their own minds about my intentions and wether or not I was speaking with Love. I can assure you any correspondence I sent to you was from my heart seeking friendship; I also wanted to discuss various Bible topics with you after I got to know you a little bit.
I would like to apologise wholeheartedly if I have not portrayed enough Love to you in my overall correspondence, it can be difficult to do this via text, as I’m sure you know. If I met you in person I would most assuredly give you a great big warm hug and kiss. I am not spending all this time and effort going through everything to try to hurt you or nullify the word of God, but to show you the error of your way using scripture as you have with me and many others on the blog.
(I was a bit sharp and wrong myself previously by saying Peter showed me no real brotherly love. He did show some interest and love towards me, but no where near as much as other Christians I have known & have grown up with. Without Love we are like a sounding brass and a tinkling cymbal) 1 Corinthians 13
“There have been a couple of other very mature men that have done that and I have greatly enjoyed our exchanges. However, none of these men ventured over in to the realm of personal counseling as you did with your very first email to me”.
This to me implies that you are saying I am not as mature as some of the other folks you have been talking with, and yes, you are probably right. I am only 25 years old and am still learning and growing in our Lord Jesus Christ. Perhaps none of the other people you have spoken with were in need of Christian friendship and love. At that time I was quite lonely and in need of a good Christian friend to correspond with for encouragement etc, I had hoped you would have been able to discern this, clearly I was wrong.
“From your first lengthy post, you focused on the state of your “marriage” or better put lack thereof even though I believe you have already had 3 children. To say the least, your emails with such deep personal information to someone you don’t even know made me very uncomfortable right from the start.”
It is not true that I focused on the state of my “marriage” as you put it. I devoted not even 10% of my 1st email, briefly explaining my marital status. Yes I do have 3 children, all of which I look after, love & care for dearly. Yes it is true, they were born out of official wedlock but I hope the below email chats between us will show the truth.
I am sorry if you are uncomfortable with listening to or sharing personal things with a brother in Christ. Perhaps I should not have been quite so direct and personal but sorry, that is the way I am.
”In addition, I had the sense that you were seeking my approval of your personal relationship and in a sense wanted me to condone it and justify it. With a great deal of tact, I answered your first two emails in a very loving and encouraging manner which you acknowledged to me that you indeed need to obey all of the Scriptures of which marriage is tantamount. However, you persisted. You would send me emails to the effect of “are you ignoring me?” of which I would then correspond with you again”.
I was not seeking your personal approval and I apologise if it came across this way. This was not my intention. I do totally agree with you that we need to obey the scriptures as best we can and I try my hardest to do exactly that.
The reason I sent you an email asking if you were ignoring me was because you had not replied to my emails for a bit and I can be quite impatient Lord forgive me.
”The episode that you are referring to where I did not “lovingly” correspond to you is when you sent a very long diatribe on the justification of adultery and fornication by a Christian if it is done “with the love of God.” You included a website that espoused that doctrine of which I was greatly incensed. Samuel, I do not condone any Christian or any man committing fornication (sex outside of marriage)”
Matthew 5:27-28: Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery: But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.
I was not justifying adultery and fornication, I was trying to make you understand my situation as it seemed like you Judged me before you even gave me a chance, yes I did feel a little bit condemned by you and was put on the defensive a little bit. You have done this to many on this blog, making brothers and sisters in Christ feel absolutely terrible with your sharp tongue using scripture to damn and condemn instead of to encourage and heal.
Proverbs 11:9: An hypocrite with his mouth destroyeth his neighbour: but through knowledge shall the just be delivered.
“and I will not be swayed even by personal attacks, putting my real name on this website or anything else. You have no hold over me. In fact my real name is Peter Laird. There, I have saved you a step in your diatribe against me of which I take the greatest umbrage with your post. Here is the website that I quite sharply rebuked (Not you) and that you call unloving.”
But “all things” being lawful for His loving, believing children really means “all things”!–Including sexual freedoms!–As long as what we’re doing is done in the unselfish, loving and sacrificial Love of God and not hurting anyone! Therefore according to the Scriptures, there is no longer any law against sex between a man and woman that is done in love, God’s Love! It is neither sin, nor adultery, nor fornication!–Those Mosaic Laws are gone!
http://www.thefamily.org/word/treasures/index2.php3?refid=31
Romans 7:4: Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.
Personal attacks? This is not true, please scroll up to my previous post above and give me one example where I am personally attacking you. I do not desire any hold over you and the fact that you have twisted what I said, suggesting that I was going to somehow attack you by putting your real name on this blog astounds me. I am simply speaking up, not against you or the word of God, but against the self-righteous, proud spirit that you seem to be harbouring.
1 Samuel 2:3-4: Talk no more so exceeding proudly; let not arrogancy come out of your mouth: for the LORD is a God of knowledge, and by him actions are weighed. The bows of the mighty men are broken, and they that stumbled are girded with strength.
James 4:6: Wherefore he saith, God resisteth the proud, but giveth grace unto the humble.
Psalms 138:6: Though the LORD be high, yet hath he respect unto the lowly: but the proud he knoweth afar off.
I would also advise anyone reading the clipping from the above to prayerfully read the whole of the article and also look through the website as a whole. Not just flick through it, see red and judge, without even giving it any real thought and prayer as Endtimes has clearly done.
I can personally vouch for The Family and their work. My sister is a member and fulltime voluntary missionary in Manila, Philippines (We have absolutely nothing to hide & I can & will provide links to her newsletters if anyone wants to see their wonderful work in many many 3rd world countries) and I personally know many other members & families who have devoted their lives, totally voluntarily, to preach the Gospel in all the world, win souls and help others spiritually and physically. By their fruits ye shall know them and these peoples fruits are good! They have saved hundreds of thousands of souls for the Lords kingdom! Hallelujah! PTL! TYJ!
http://www.thefamily.org/about/
It is between you and God as to whether you will or will not obey His Scriptures. If you wish to justify any false doctrine that you wish to by whatever guru you wish.
Gods law of Love through Jesus Christ is certainly not false doctrine, the article you so blatantly show anger and hate for is clearly backed up all the way by scripture. The Family do their best to live their lives according to Christ and the scriptures. Again you are judging from the outside without even getting to know us personally.
I CAN NOT STOP YOU, BUT I WILL NOT PERSONALLY CONDONE YOUR SINFUL AND WILLFUL DISOBEDIENCE AGAINST THE HOLY SCRIPTURES. IT IS YOUR LIFE, NOT MINE, I HAVE COUNSELED IN A GODLY FASHION, IN PRIVATE AND IN CONFIDENCE AND I HAVE BEEN PATIENT WITH YOUR PERSISTANT CHALLENGES TO ME TO ACCEPT YOUR DEVIENT INTERPRETATION OF THE SCRIPTURES THAT IN YOUR MIND JUSTIFY FORNICATION IF IT IS DONE “IN THE LOVE OF GOD.” AND YOUR RESPONSE TO THIS IS TO BETRAY THIS CONFIDENCE. WELL SO BE IT. IT IS WHAT IT IS.
You seem to have made you mind up about me without even pursing any truth. You have made no real attempt to get to know me or anyone from The Family or really look into any facts. You have judged us without even giving us a chance. I’m sorry if you think I have betrayed your confidence but I could not keep quiet any longer and suffer you to offend and burn any more little ones in Christ.
As for the articles on the website you call deviant interpretation, have you even bothered to look at the huge amount of scriptural references prayerfully? Have you been through any other articles? I think you will find that they are ALL backed up by scripture and the Love included in the literature speaks much louder and stronger then you do. The Gospel “good news” is to be preached with Love, not with a self righteous know it all attitude.
Luke 18:9- And he (Jesus) spake this parable unto certain which trusted in themselves that they were righteous, and despised others: Two men went up into the temple to pray; the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican. The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican. I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess. And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner. I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted. And they brought unto him also infants, that he would touch them: but when his disciples saw it, they rebuked them. But Jesus called them unto him, and said, Suffer little children to come unto me, and forbid them not: for of such is the kingdom of God.
In the last 6 weeks, there has been an unprecedented number of “Christians” espousing directly conflicting unbiblical personal doctrines that make the commandments of God of none effect. If you wish to do this, I cannot stop you but I will always fulfill my duties as a watchman to warn the wicked and the righteous. (Ezekiel 33) I will preach the full counsel of God without any diminishing of the literal truth of the Bible. (Acts 20:26-27)
You are in a very serpent like fashion, trying to imply with the “” that I am not a real Christian to try to ruin my credibility with others on the blog.
Matthew 7:1-5: Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother’s eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye? Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother’s eye.
Now listen very closely Peter, I love Jesus Christ our Lord with all my heart, I love the Lord our God with ALL my soul and with ALL my might. I try to live my life in the best Godly way I know how by my elders and the word of God. I am still learning A LOT and I do still make many mistakes along the way. I am far from perfect but I know that the Lord loves me despite my sins, shortcomings and I rely on him daily to be a lamp unto my feet and a light unto my path.
I have confessed with my mouth and believed in my heart that Jesus IS the Son and Lamb of God given to the world to take away our sins. I have no hesitation telling others of my faith and spreading the Love of Jesus the best I can. I am also trying my best to be a good father, not only providing physically for my children but spiritually also by teaching and training my 3 girls in the Word of God.
I know that the Lord has saved me from the second death and you, knowing the scripture so well, should know better then to try to question my devotion to the Lord and my salvation. You have absolutely no right to try to judge me and others & imply that we are not real Christians.
John 7:24: Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.
Luke 6:36-37: Be ye therefore merciful, as your Father also is merciful. Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven:
It is my hope that CSE will stand for the true literal interpretation of Scriptures which means those that participate on this blog will need to choose today whether they will serve the Lord for if more people do not speak up against the outrages against Paul the Apostle for one and the Scriptures in the purity that they were ONCE delivered, then yes, I will gladly leave this site and fight the Lord’s battles elsewhere. So, it is in your hands people.
Please read Romans chapter 7 in full, I was going to paste it all on here but it is getting long enough already.
We can see here that the apostle Paul makes it very clear that he does not see himself as righteous, knows and admits the weakness of his own flesh.
“For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin. For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I. For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not. For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.”
Trying to rally CSE and others against me and The Family is a really hateful thing to do and this shows your arrogance & lack of Love towards your fellow brothers and sisters in Christ.
This blog was at no risk from the evolutionists without, yet the enemies of God’s Holy Word from the inside could reduce this site to complete heretical teachings which would not honour Kent Hovind’s longstanding support of the true literal Word of God.
This is where you really go too far. Implying that my family, I and the missionaries (all of whom love the Lord dearly have devoted their lives voluntarily to Jesus Christ, preaching the gospel to every creature) enemies of Gods Holy Word. This is a horrible, unloving thing to say.
Also: If the blog was at no risk from evolutionists then why have you devoted so much time to defending it from them?
The Word of God will stand ANY test or trial, it is written in heaven already and regardless who is right or wrong with interpretation, it will still stand. (Lord if I am wrong in any of my words please forgive and help me)
1 Corinthians 13:12: For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.
Those who are the Lords sheep WILL hear his voice and follow him no matter what you, me or anyone else says or teaches, those who hunger and thirst after righteousness WILL be filled, so why are you so concerned? Perhaps I have hit a nerve which has angered you.
I pray that the Holy men and women of God will stand up to this outrage before us today before all is lost on this site
You really think that anyone on this planet is Holy? Do you forget that we still live in this world and that although Jesus has washed our sins away in spirit we are still bound to the flesh until we go to be with the Lord? Wow, you must really see yourself as holy, righteous and good also.
Romans 3:2-23: Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin. But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets; Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference: For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
Romans 3:9-10: What then? are we better than they? No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin; As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:
Romans 5-12: Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:
Romans 5:15-16 But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many. And not as it was by one that sinned, so is the gift: for the judgment was by one to condemnation, but the free gift is of many offences unto justification.
Again, you re-enforce my point. It seems like you think that the whole Gospel of Truth relies entirely on your holiness, credibility & your knowledge & interpretation of the scriptures. And no-one else’s views are valid unless you say so or deem them Holy enough.
You even go as far as to say that all will be lost on this site simply because I have spoken up about your self righteous pride.
There is now no doubt that being called the master of this blog has really gone to your head making you think you have the anointing to judge anyone who does not see eye to eye with you, or even speaks up about you.
1 Corinthians 4:3-7: But with me it is a very small thing that I should be judged of you, or of man’s judgment: yea, I judge not mine own self.
For I know nothing by myself; yet am I not hereby justified: but he that judgeth me is the Lord. Therefore judge nothing before the time, until the Lord come, who both will bring to light the hidden things of darkness, and will make manifest the counsels of the hearts: and then shall every man have praise of God. And these things, brethren, I have in a figure transferred to myself and to Apollos for your sakes; that ye might learn in us not to think of men above that which is written, that no one of you be puffed up for one against another.
For who maketh thee to differ from another? and what hast thou that thou didst not receive? now if thou didst receive it, why dost thou glory, as if thou hadst not received it?
Peter quoted:
Titus 1:9 Holding fast the faithful word as he hath been taught, that he may be able by sound doctrine both to exhort and to convince the gainsayers.
10 For there are many unruly and vain talkers and deceivers, specially they of the circumcision:
11 Whose mouths must be stopped, who subvert whole houses, teaching things which they ought not, for filthy lucre’s sake.
12 One of themselves, even a prophet of their own, said, The Cretians are alway liars, evil beasts, slow bellies.
13 This witness is true. Wherefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith;
14 Not giving heed to Jewish fables, and commandments of men, that turn from the truth.
15 Unto the pure all things are pure: but unto them that are defiled and unbelieving is nothing pure; but even their mind and conscience is defiled.
16 They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.
Here you close by using scripture against me using your credible position on this blog in an attempt to make me again, look like an enemy of Gods Word thus an enemy of God, trying desperately to nullify everything I have truthfully and honestly spoken about you.
Well, I’m sorry if the truth hurts Peter but you are not the first and you won’t be the last to be cut to the heart by the truth about the worst sin of all, self righteous pride. The very sin that Lucifer fell from heaven for.
I sincerely pray for your deliverance from this proud, condemning, judgemental, negative, spirit which on the outside masquerades as a “Holy man”, using scripture to condemn brothers and sisters in Christ.
Taking pleasure from arguing and debating non-believers when, as you said yourself, there is no danger on this blog site from evolutionists. You have allowed your selfish pride in your knowledge of the scriptures, consume your better judgement.
Titus 1:13 This witness is true. Wherefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith;
How dare you speak and judge other brethren the way you have and make them feel like they are inferior to you and imply they are not Gods children. You should be utterly ashamed of yourself as an elder and as one who claims to know so much scripture.
Once saved always saved, you said it yourself and like it or not, no matter how much you disagree with other Christians, no matter what your opinion is about them, they are the Lords children and you have no right to imply otherwise.
John 10:27-28: My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
Ephesians 1:7: In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;
Romans 3:23-24: For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
Titus 3:5: Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
Ephesians 2:8: For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.
John 3:16-17: For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
1 Corinthians 1 26-31 For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called:
But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty; And base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, yea, and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are:
That no flesh should glory in his presence. But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption: That, according as it is written, He that glorieth, let him glory in the Lord.
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Peter, despite what I have said all through this and how it might come across, I know you are a good Godly man with good intentions, and I am in no way judging you. I just hope now after all this you can see that it doesn’t matter how much scripture and truth you know, its all for nothing if you don’t show the true love of God in your teachings and words.
THEY DON’T CARE HOW MUCH YOU KNOW UNITLL THEY KNOW HOW MUCH YOU CARE!
I have not gone to these lengths to justify myself as I do not need to justify myself to any of you, I have neither posted this in retaliation, but only in love so that those whom have been burned by this type of legalistic self righteous Christianity will hopefully not be turned away again.
Lastly, one good thing has come out of this all. I asked Jodie (My wife) to marry me not long ago and she said yes! PTL! TYJ!
Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you WILL be saved, and your household!
Jul20
samuel
Said this at 11:06am:
I am not sure if you wrote all the info below or the Millerfamily but I am pretty sure that all of it was from you.
“…Therefore Jesus’ Law Of Love frees us from the old Law and is all-encompassing, all-absorbing and all-fulfilling! God’s only Law is now Love, and as long as something is done in love with real, unselfish, even sacrificial love, God’s Love, then it is absolutely lawful in God’s eyes!–No matter whether it be a sin in the eyes of the church or immoral in the eyes of man, it is still absolutely innocent in the eyes of God if you do it in Love!
“…But Jesus said, “Do unto others what you want them to do to you” (Matthew 7:12)–not just whatever they Do to you, but you should treat them the way you want them to treat you!–This is God’s Love. Jesus gave numerous examples in the “Sermon on the Mount”, saying, “In the old Law it is written so-and-so, but I say unto you”–and told them something entirely different! He said, “But I say unto you, love your enemies, forgive them!” (Matthew 5:38-44)—That’s the Law of Love!–Which shows it’s even greater and stricter than the old Mosaic Law!
“…Of course most churches and conservative Christians today would say, “Okay, the Bible may say that ‘all things are lawful’ under Christ’s Law of Love (1Corinthians 6:12), but, this of course could not include, ahem, anything to do with sex!”–Because the churches have declared almost everything that has anything to do with your body or sex or pleasure as illegitimate, illegal, immoral, irreligious and unrighteous!
“But “all things” being lawful for His loving, believing children really means “all things”!–Including sexual freedoms!–As long as what we’re doing is done in the unselfish, loving and sacrificial Love of God and not hurting anyone! Therefore according to the Scriptures, there is no longer any law against sex between a man and woman that is done in love, God’s Love! It is neither sin, nor adultery, nor fornication!–Those Mosaic Laws are gone!
“After all, what was the purpose of the old Mosaic Law against adultery?–Even behind the old Laws there was the Love of God and His desire to keep people from hurting each other and damaging each other either physically or otherwise, even their feelings. So if we’re keeping God’s Law of Love, we’ll do our best to live in His Love, to help people, and to try not to hurt anyone.
“This is the difference between lust and love: Lust is merely gratifying your own greedy selfish appetite, like eating a meal.–You may need it, but if you’re stealing it from someone else and taking the food out of their mouth to stuff your own, this is selfish lust, not love! But if you are taking the food out of your own mouth and giving your own meal to satisfy and feed another who is hungry and starving and needs it desperately and might not even survive without it, this is the real Love of God! “If you see your brother has a need, and you refuse to mercifully help him, how can the Love of God be in you?” (1John 3:17)
“…However, you’ll find when reading through the New Testament, that even Paul and some of the Apostles still had a few old legalistic hangovers. As you can see by some of Paul’s writings, because of his love for the Jews–which led to his final compromise with them and his death (Acts 21)–he wrote a lot of things simply trying to keep his new converts out of trouble.–To solve a lot of marriage and sexual problems etc., he wrote his advice on what to do and how to do it, which bound them with quite a few Pauline Laws, most of which were not very free. In some of his advice on sexual matters, he frankly told them, “This speak I, not the Lord.” (1Corinthians 7:12)
“Of course Jesus, in His life and ministry, was very free, and He broke the Mosaic and Jewish traditions time and time again, infuriating the religious leaders so much that they finally killed Him for it! But even when you read some of the things that Jesus said to the Pharisees and to the people, you need to remember to whom He was talking–Jews, who were still under the Mosaic Law.
“Jesus was still preaching and living under the Age of Law before the Age of Grace had actually been fully ushered in by His Own death on the cross for our Salvation. The Bible says that Jesus “cancelled the written Law with its regulations, and He took it away, nailing it to His cross” (Colossians 2:14). It was on the Cross, at the very end of His ministry on Earth, that He proclaimed, “It is finished!” (John 19:30)
“So although the Church has been bound by some of Paul’s own rules, and mostly their own traditions for ages, a prayerful and open-minded study of the Word of God makes it clear that the Lord intended for His children to be free under His Love and grace. And just like the Early Church and the dawning of the Christian era totally outdated, outmoded and overthrew the legalism and bondage of the Mosaic era, so we today are having to cast away all of the old legalistic traditions, conventions and holier-than-thou, hypocritical, self-righteous ness of much of the traditional church system of today!”
Ekkman said,
Samuel,
All I know to say at the moment is you said a mouthful. I didn’t know we were to do long posts anymore or that was what I gathered. Maybe it was just on evolution/creation? Anyway, I am probably wrong on that. I would like you to explain a lot of the above comments using illustrations if you could since I don’t want to read you wrong and make a lot of needless comments to what you said. I then read EndTimes comments shortly after yours and I said to myself, “Maybe I was reading him correctly.”
Illustrations that show Paul’s “legalistic hangovers”, not things he did in the word but things he wrote showing his legalistic hangovers. I know he did certain Jewish customs that he didn’t have to and whatever but I want the know the legalistic things that he was putting the body of Christ under. I am trying to be as plain as possible. Other things such as showing me what Col. 2:14 says to you since you used it in your post. Just be as clear as possible with illustrations without being too wordy. Make the illustrations plain and simple. Thanks!
You said, “But Jesus said, “Do unto others what you want them to do to you” (Matthew 7:12)” That is what the new bibles say that he said but he didn’t say that. He did say, “Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.”
He said that we are to do unto others what they “should” do unto us, not what we “want” them to do to us. That could be bad news. Many times what we “want” done and what “should” be done are at odds with one another. I will go into that much deeper later on hopefully.
By the way, you never answered the other post that I sent you a while back.
Ekkman
Regarding Samuel’s comments to me:
I’m not quite sure I follow all of that; however, I do think I follow that you were using the old Pharisee line with me as you did with Endtimes, simply because we want to stick with Scripture. Please explain to me the beam you see in my eye, Samuel. And, how do you know that I don’t love the Lord my God with all my heart, and with all my soul, and with all my mind and that I don’t love my neighbour as myself? You are wrong on that, dear sir. The Lord has cleansed me of my filth and changed my life completely. I no longer serve and love sin as I once did; He has changed my heart to love what He loves and to hate what He hates, hallelujah!
The old devil is at it again; I’ve been shot with those arrows of Phariseeism many times for simply wanting to obey my Lord and trust His Word for what it says, but, sorry old devil, I’ve used my shield of faith to quench those fiery darts once again! It no longer works on me, praise the Lord for that victory! I do say, however, that if I’m missing something in the word of God, then I am open to correction.
I’m with Ekkmann: regarding that long letter you posted, please be more clear. Because, as I was reading it, I was afraid you were entering a post full of heresy (I thought you were about to expound that even homosexual love is lawful as long as it is done in love, but then I believe you stated between a man and woman). Samuel, love is balanced with truth, my friend, and truth comes from the Holy Scriptures, alone. God’s word is my authority.
We must speak the truth in love, and sometimes the Lord does call the brethren to rebuke or correct others in the body of Christ. It is a necessity while we are still here on this earth. The only thing that I question myself of having written to Mr. Rusosure is, “Have fun at your other blogsites.” That probably should have been left off. I believe I had read Mr. Rusosure call himself a Christian, but the way he wrote his last letter to Endtimes and some things he has said on here, did not appear at all to be in the love of the Lord, and on the contrary, I have not read any ugliness coming from Mr. Endtimes, but striving in patience in the Lord, to speak the truth of God’s word in love to those who post here.
Thank you to George, Endtimes, and Ekkmann, and any others I may have missed, for your continual posts of defending the faith once delivered unto the Saints. It is refreshing and a blessing. Godspeed, dear brothers in the Lord.
In His love,
Millerfamily6
Dear DQ,
You Stated
“Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.” — 1 John 2:18
“That statement of Jesus’s is clearly why John believed that he was living in the end times. Peter also believed he was living in the end times, no doubt because of Jesus’s prediction: But the end of all things is at hand: be ye therefore sober, and watch unto prayer. I Peter 4:7 (Also see I Peter 1:20) Oh yeah, and the author of Hebrews also believed he was living in the end times: Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds; Hebrews 1:2
Once again the prophecies of the bible turn into a tangled mess. I’m sure you will be able to use some tortured logic to straighten it out in your mind. (Here’s a hint- maybe when John said “anti-Christ,” he really meant “Assyrians!” Of course! Now it all fits!)”
End Quote.
Ok, I’m moving house at the present, so I will have to get back to you with a more detailed post at a later date. It’s very true that no one except God knows the hour or day of His return. All Christian are told to keep watch THOUGH, PAUL AND PETER INCLUDED.
There seems to be a confusion between the ‘spirit of anti-Christ’ and the anti-Christ.
Understanding the difference between the ‘spirit of the Anti-Christ’ and the anti-Christ or son of perdition, a man who will join the whole world together, into a political, economic, religious and social entity is paramount here.
2 Thessalonians 2:2-4
2That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
3Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
4Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God
. Daniel 9:26-27
27And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.”
Notice this is a LITERAL person and not just a “spirit of”. There is much more in scripture about this. The little horn in Daniels visions, and revelations. As STATED I WILL POST MORE DETAIL ON THIS SUBJECT IN ABOOUT A WEEK.
You said
” I suggest you take it up with the holy spirit that told John to write that the end times were happening in the first century” End Quote.
Where did JESUS tell John that?
You said
“If you have a problem with this anti-christ coming at a time that does not fit with Matthew 24. Also, I think that for you to bring up Matthew 24 is intellectually dishonest because you know as well as I do that after Jesus predicted all those things he clearly stated that all of those things would happen within the lifetimes of the people that were there listening to him.”
End quote.
If you are referring to where Jesus says
Mark 9
“1And he said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That there be some of them that stand here, which shall not taste of death, till they have seen the kingdom of God come with power.“
This is in connection with the Transfiguration. Which follows…
“ 2And after six days Jesus taketh with him Peter, and James, and John, and leadeth them up into an high mountain apart by themselves: and he was transfigured before them.
3And his raiment became shining, exceeding white as snow; so as no fuller on earth can white them.
4And there appeared unto them Elias with Moses: and they were talking with Jesus.
5And Peter answered and said to Jesus, Master, it is good for us to be here: and let us make three tabernacles; one for thee, and one for Moses, and one for Elias.
6For he wist not what to say; for they were sore afraid.
7And there was a cloud that overshadowed them: and a voice came out of the cloud, saying, This is my beloved Son: hear him.”
Again..
Matthew 16
“27For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.
28Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.”
Matthew 16 finishes on verse 28. Remember in the Greek there are no chapters divisions. It continues …
Matthew 17
“1And after six days Jesus taketh Peter, James, and John his brother, and bringeth them up into an high mountain apart,
2And was transfigured before them: and his face did shine as the sun, and his raiment was white as the light.
3And, behold, there appeared unto them Moses and Elias talking with him.
4Then answered Peter, and said unto Jesus, Lord, it is good for us to be here: if thou wilt, let us make here three tabernacles; one for thee, and one for Moses, and one for Elias.
5While he yet spake, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them: and behold a voice out of the cloud, which said, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased; hear ye him.
6And when the disciples heard it, they fell on their face, and were sore afraid.
7And Jesus came and touched them, and said, Arise, and be not afraid.
8And when they had lifted up their eyes, they saw no man, save Jesus only.”
Love in Christ
Gorge.
Jul21
darling
Said this at 8:52pm:
Ekkman
“I have debated Eugenie at least twice and on Pat Buchanan’s radio show she admitted that God could have created the universe!
“Well, that is a huge concession for an avid evolutionist…”
Only if your understanding of the issue is fundamentally flawed.
Ekkman said:
Thanks for writing me or almost writing me. At least you mentioned me in a post.
Hi Darling,
The whole paragraph says,
“Well, that is a huge concession for an avid evolutionist, and most evolutionists will not willingly go to the origins issue. They have to be pushed there. They want to jump over “billions of years” to Darwin’s mythical “warm, little pond.” Well, I’m ready to go to that pond (of which there is not a shred of evidence) but I first want to know where the pond came from! Where did the earth come from? What about the universe? Evolutionists stampede away from that issue like their hair is on fire! But I demand some answers before we get to the “pond.”
I thought this was an interesting article. I just cut a little out of the middle of it. The whole article is at”
http://www.cstnews.com/Code/drboys.html
If you are saying that his “understanding of the issue is fundamentally flawed”, he would love to talk to you about it. Write him, his page is posted above again so you won’t have to go back looking for it. I don’t know if you went to his Page and read the whole article or not.
Ekkman
darling -
Please read the link from Ekkman provided above. Also please read http://www.encyclopedian.com/sc/Scientific-evidence.html as it does a very thorough and objective job of defining the scientific method. I got it from a basic search online for “scientific method definition”.
In my background, I’ve been a K-12 all subject certified teacher including the sciences. A disability interfered with that career path and after a couple of transitional jobs, I am now a recruiter and decipher the truth in resumes and talking to people daily. One of the functions I’ve served during my time is that of a debate judge.
From that perspective, let me take the liberty of offering a critique on your argumentation style. First, it is hard to believe a person is the be all and end all master of all nuances of the Tax Code, Penal Code, Constutional History & Law, all Sciences and the Philosophy of Science especially without the use of supporting evidence to support your stances. So you’d be marked down as being a “know it all” unless you can back up your assertions with a credible and truthful background. Next is a tendency you’ve shown in just about any topic with any person you debate with. The tendency is to infer meanings from what an author or person has stated then to form your argument based on your inferences. That would be flagged as well as a failure to stay on topic. Name calling and insulting also has no place in a debate forum.
Just to touch on that Electron topic you are trying to create. First, it is completely irrelevant to the topic I was speaking on. Second, I know full well about electrons. Trying to deflect the topic to a fabrication based on your inferences is hardly constructive and totally off topic. My main thrust is true Science and Math are intimately related. The same deductive processes that are supposed to be used in Science are identical to how you solve Math story problems. If there is insufficient information to deduce an answer, then that is the only correct answer. Silly humility thing.
But enough of this. There is no point in going further. We’ll just wait for updates on the appeals cycle.
Maturekid
“First, it is hard to believe a person is the be all and end all master of all nuances of the Tax Code, Penal Code, Constutional History & Law, all Sciences and the Philosophy of Science especially without the use of supporting evidence to support your stances.”
I agree.
Fortunately, that straw man has little basis in reality.
“So you’d be marked down as being a “know it all” unless you can back up your assertions with a credible and truthful background”
Please, attack my arguments, not me.
I detest playing the “I am qualified, therefore I am right” game.
“Just to touch on that Electron topic you are trying to create. First, it is completely irrelevant to the topic I was speaking on.”
This would be a technique called Reductio ad absurdum.
I gave an example of how direct observation is not required for something to be scientific.
Ordinarily, the response would be something like:
“darling, you misunderstand what I said, let me clarify…”
“darling, you’re exactly right, I don’t consider electrons scientific…”
“darling, that’s a fair point, but…”
But if you want to continue along this ad hominem route, be my guest.
“Also please read http://www.encyclopedian.com/sc/Scientific-evidence.html as it does a very thorough and objective job of defining the scientific method.”
… and agrees entirely with what I’ve been saying.