From: Kent Hovind
Sent: August 17, 2007
To: Hitler
Subject: Re: August 1936
KH: Mr. Hitler! You seem really upset! What is the problem? Why are you leaving the stadium?
Hitler: I am upset! These Olympic games are supposed to be for humans to compete against humans – not animals!
KH: I thought that was what just happened. This is the eleventh modern Olympics and I’ve never seen any animals involved in the competition.
Hitler: Well, you did today! Didn’t you see that black, subhuman animal from America win four gold medals?
KH: Do you mean Jesse Owens?
Hitler: That’s what they call him.
KH: But he’s a man just like us.
Hitler: No he’s not! Blacks are just animals. They have not evolved as far as other races. The world will be better off when they are gone. The only thing worse on the face of the earth is a Jew. They both must go soon to make more living space for the Aryan race. What race are you, Kent? You look Aryan.
KH: I’m of the human race, sir.
Hitler: No, what nationality?
KH: My ancestors came from Norway, but I’m an American.
Hitler: Norway is great! That’s the birthplace of the great Aryan race! I can’t believe the Americans would let an animal like Owens represent them in these games! You Americans are never going to build a great country by allowing so many subhuman varieties to breed and even interbreed with superior races. The result will be a mongrel race of inferior beings. We will never allow that in Germany.
I had hoped that these Olympic games would show the world the wisdom of our extensive eugenics program. We encourage only the fit to breed to produce a race of super human beings one day.
I’m going to complain to the Olympic games committee about their lax policy of allowing non-humans to participate. This is totally unfair.
KH: How is it decided which race is superior and what is it based on?
Hitler: It’s all based on the science of evolution! Since the strongest survive and the weakest die off, we have decided to speed up the process by eliminating the inferior races of Jews and blacks. War itself will demonstrate which is the most fit race.
KH: But the Bible says that all men are of one blood (Acts 17:26).
Hitler: Oh, that Bible is outdated. Our scientists have proven man arose from apes by evolution. Only the strongest survive, and we will show the world that we are the strongest!
KH: It didn’t work too well today, sir.
Hitler: That’s why I’m angry. Now, which way to the Olympic committee?
(See Creation Seminar Part Five for more information on this topic. Also see the books, “The Pink Swastika” and “The Fourth Reich of the Rich.”)
Josh 19:2
‘and’ or ‘or’ or ‘and’ and ‘or’?
by Brian Tegart
thanks to Rick Norris for some of the info
Joshua 19:2 (KJVs based on Cambridge text) “And they had in their inheritance Beersheba, or Sheba, and Moladah,”
Joshua 19:2 (KJVs based on Oxford text) “And they had in their inheritance Beersheba, and Sheba, and Moladah,”
Peter Ruckman acknowledged that “some editions of the AV have printed ‘Beer-sheba and Sheba,’ bringing the count to fourteen cities, whereas the total was given as thirteen (19:6), and other editions have ‘Beer-sheba or Sheba’ in the same verse” (PROBLEM TEXTS, p. 152). Ruckman’s answer was as follows: “1. ‘Sheba’ is not a city in Genesis 21:31: It is a place. You could have read BEERSHEBA and Sheba, meaning the city and the place it was in.” “2. Sheba could have well become the common name used for ‘Beer-sheba” “3. Observe that in EITHER case cited above there has been no violation of English, title deeds, arithmetic, common sense, Bible laws, common usage, or any other verse of scripture in either Testament. ‘And’ or ‘or’ will fit any edition of the King James without contradicting any passage in any edition” (p. 153).
It is interesting that whenever there is a difference in KJV editions, either one is defended as being correct and acceptable – but if there is a difference between the KJV and another translation, KJV-only advocates are no longer willing to tolerate and justify similar-type differences.
EndTime’s Answer: a publisher in Oxford has made a change to the KJV text, and that now becomes that STANDARD? No, this entire argument by Brian Tegart is a strawman fallacy. Unfortunately, there are many current publishers of the KJV that are not at all faithful to the 1611 translation. The 1769 edition was and is “conformable” to the KJV text. The church has also not been faithful to be the pillar and ground of the truth in preserving its own Scriptures. Even those church ministries that at one time faithfully printed the KJV are no longer faithful in keeping the entire text conformable to the 1611. That is not stating that there are multiple REVISIONS, it is simply the truth that the devil hates the KJV and is messing with it however he can.
Example, the audio Bible online appears to be quite faithful to the 1611 edition and I grant that it does keep the italics precisely as the original 1611. Yet, it has made two very subtle changes. First, it has changed the paragraph markers, and second it has taken out ALL of the hyphens. Why have they done such a deliberate deed? Why indeed, it looks like that is the entire issue that you have brought up on these links with the Oxford edition and the Cambridge edition. Why INDEED have they and others done likewise?
http://www.audio-bible.com/bible/bible.html
Yet, the text remains pure, but very hard to find. The other publishers have also changed many words and spellings in the KJV. Example, what does your KJV state in II Timothy 3:17? Is it “throughly, or thoroughly?” Does your KJV text have the “spirit” or the “Spirit” of God in Genesis 1:2?
Thus, simply because secular publishers are no longer faithful to the text that is conformable with the 1611, does not mean that there are revisions. It means that the church has not done its job of preserving its own Scriptures.
Last example, please tell me which epistle of Paul was written from Laodicea? (Colossians 4:16) I will give the answer after some have had a chance to consider the question but my Bible has the answer. Does your KJV have the answer?
So, this is a strawman fallacy, not a KJV problem as long as the true church keeps His Scriptures faithfully. Thus, the text should be “or.”
With the love of Christ,
Peter
Dear Steve cookster,( It looks like as if my post was too long, I am splitting it for posting)
I have read through many of the objections to the KJV on your links. Sadly, many assertions are completely false
4) You have given multiple, multiple questions on your two links that REQUIRE a direct manuscript examination and knowledge of the original languages to answer these disputations. Sorry, but God has written His Holy Word to give UNDERSTANDING to the simple. In Acts chapter 2, the issue of each man hearing the Word of God preached by Peter in his own tongue, or language is a foreshadowing of the fact that God would get His Word out to the entire world in the native vernacular tongue. Indeed, there is historical evidence that this was actually accomplished before the Roman Catholic Church destroyed those translations and kept only the Latin versions available, thus ushering in the “dark ages” which are so called because the Roman Catholic Church quenched for a season the light of the gospel to many men.
Even Winston Churchill in his history of England notes that the KJV was itself translated into 760 languages. Not only is English today the universal language of the world, but from the KJV, 760 translations were made into other vernacular tongues before the 1900’s. It would be wonderful if all men had access to the pure manuscripts, (we don’t) and that all were enough of a scholar to translate those manuscripts into their native tongue. The devil by all of the questions on your links wishes to make us believe that is the necessary test. Sorry, but if that is the case, then even I would admit defeat to all of those challenges since it would take many, many years of hard study for me to search those questions for myself in the Hebrew and Greek. Further, God has already warned us against engaging in such doubtful disputations just for these reasons. There will come a point that all must choose their side and stand by that decision.
Yet there are many faithful scholars who have the answers to all of these objections, and if a person lacks faith in the KJV, then go and spend much time and energy searching out in the flesh this issue, when it is really in many ways a matter of faith in simply reading God’s Holy Word alone and knowing His voice. I have chosen to trust in what I already know to be faithful and reliable Scriptures in English based in part on the history of the manuscript evidence and study of the wisdom that I can get within the confines of my own tongue instead of engaging my limited time and energy in the search of wondering whether we even have the Word of God. If I lack faith that my own Bible is not preserved in my own tongue for me to understand by my loving Saviour, then my faith is greatly weakened by this incredibly difficult barrage of doubtful disputations against the KJV which is completely against the wishes of our Creator.
Again, as I have already stated previously, the scribes and Pharisees have been very busy creating doubtful disputations, yet at church today, in my congregation, all were edified through His Holy Word (the KJV), and not one single person raised his hand and said: “Yea, hath God said?” Yet, in many times that I attended non KJV preaching, I did from the pulpit hear doubtful disputatioin questioning the literal truth of the Scriptures. I choose not to fellowship in such places any longer. But indeed, if you Google the myriad of websites run by these many scribes and Pharisees, you will see over and over again the same question of the devil: “Yea, hath God said?”
Buyer beware this horrific debate that the devil wishes to draw the people of God into. When Satan questioned the Word of God to Eve, it ended by leading her into temptation and destruction upon all of her descendants. Before beginning to play on Satan’s field with him in control, go to some other sources first before you begin to question the KJV so that if you do venture into these many leading and misleading questions listed, you will have enough background knowledge to see easily through the falsehoods of many of these questions quickly. Again, be very careful to engage in doubtful disputations. (Romans 14:1) This is the very hiding place of the devil with false and deceitful questions. The entire debate can be avoided by understanding the history of the manuscripts involved. Go there FIRST before entertaining any of the questions on this site so that you will be able to know many of the answers before being confronted with those listed.
But if you wish to delve into them, then go to it, but be aware that these questions are designed to weaken and not strengthen your faith.
In the love of Christ,
Peter
[EDITOR'S NOTE: Is there a good collection (preferably electronic) of some of these 760 translations? Where would I find them, please? P.A. ]
Dear Steve cookster,
I will now challenge you with my own research on the issue of the KJV. There are many issues within the Bible that you could through the flesh search as many have and I am sure will continue to do. However, the Bible is spirit and truth and it’s words are spirit and life able to divide asunder the spirit and flesh. If you truly desire the meat of the Word and further, more importantly the grace of the Word, it is a search that must be done in the spirit and not in the flesh. Those that worship the Father MUST do it in spirit and truth.
For one example, many liberal theologians question the authorship of MANY books of the Bible. “Yea, hath God said?” One such book is the book of Daniel. It is so accurate on many aspects of Babylonian, Media-Persian and even Greek history that many liberal theologians wish to place the doubt of Daniel’s authorship to that of an unknown person at the time of the Maccabean revolt against Antiochus Epiphanes in 165 BC. In this instance, you could in the flesh search out the archeological artifacts that establish the inner court knowledge of Daniel in such things as the name Ashpenaz the ruler of the eunuchs whose name has been found on bricks in the Babylon area. Only someone of close ties to this person would have been able to list him in his writings. Many other historical and archeologically confirmed facts from the book of Daniel exist today, affirming in a dramatic study of archeology, history and ancient languages that Daniel did indeed write this book. In doing so, you would need to spend many, many years in deep scholarship to arrive at the conclusion that Daniel the prophet wrote the book of Daniel.
Liberal theologians wish you to also believe that there were two different Isaiah’s writing hundreds of years apart because of his very accurate and detailed accounts especially calling Cyrus by name and showing the secret military tactic he used to defeat Babylon.
Yet, it is much simpler to look at the words of Jesus in Matthew 24:15 when he affirms that Daniel wrote those words. Likewise for Isaiah when the Lord and the apostles affirm the authorship of Isaiah.
Is it not thus the better way to place our trust in the Words of the Lord and His apostles by FAITH instead of searching for the answers that Christ has already given us if we only believe Him to be the faithful witness that He testifies that He is? In such, I not only invite you to look at the issue of King James and the work that he did in faithfully translating the Word of God into English and moreover GIVING it directly to the common man so that all could know and understand the Scriptures for themselves. If we are all going to be held accountable for the words that Jesus has spoken on our judgment day, is it indeed not the purpose of God to supply us with that word faithfully?
Thus, my research has been in understanding what Jesus has to state in the Revelation about the history of the church age before it came to pass. The testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy (Revelation 19:10) and those that will worship Jesus in spirit and truth must understand that He is rewarder of those that will seek Him diligently and in truth.
Therefore, please answer my challenge to you, not from websites filled with doubtful disputations, but from the Holy Scriptures alone.
When was, or when will Revelation 2:16 be fulfilled?
What is the literal interpretation of Revelation 3:7-9? When was or when will Jesus literally fulfill these verses, tell me if you can?
http://www.kjv1611revealed.com/Slide20.html
http://www.kjv1611revealed.com/Slide21.html
May God compel you to answer from the Holy Scriptures these logic puzzles that testify that Jesus is the faithful witness and the justifier of those that are righteous and Holy to do the purpose they are called to do.
In the love of Christ,
Peter
I have heard that Hitler studied the bible and went to church. But so what? Satan knows scripture too. The fact is he had hatred in heart and was consumed by PRIDE……..PRIDE GOETH BEFORE DESTRUCTION.
Hitler slaughtered millions of jews and other races. I have read several books by people who lived through it and it’s sad. families separated, half the family survived the other were murdered. including children! I have 3 children and i couldn’t imagine watching someone separate me from them and knowing that they were going to be murdered.
and to hear people defend such an evil man is ludacris!
i don’t care what people say that hitler supposedly was a christian. anyone can say that. Living a life that is governed by your walk with THE Master Jesus Christ is evidence of a true relationship.
not just saying………but doing and living it.
Just like Jesus said……You know a tree by it’s fruit.
Hitler didn’t bear fruit. he murdered and than got murdered.
Dr. Hovind, i’m still praying for you. I watched one of your videos yesterday. I love the way you preach. you opened up scripture to me that i used to just read over.
Thank you. Jesus Christ is with you. it’s hard to be strong. But you will be ok.
Roxy
Dear Welder’s wife,
Perhaps we will need to agree to disagree. I have already laid out my objections that are also the objections of some of the Greek and Hebrew scholars that I sought over time sought out their wisdom on different issues. The bottom line, we HAVE the true word of God in English called the King James Bible. There is no need for me to have to check out my pastor, because we all read from the King James Bible. We have no raging debate on whether we have His Holy Word. That is a settled issue for our entire congregation. So, in my congregation, we listen and learn from what the Bible states itself from the wisdom that God has given our pastor through the Scriptures. Yes, I have heard many, many pastors stand before the flock and read a verse from any number of versions and then say, “but the original Greek really means such and such.” That leads to great doubt. “Yea, hath God said?” Simply because the scribes and Pharisees wish to cause doubt on the Word of God is no reason for anyone to fall into that difficulty.
Further, you are becoming defensive on this issue of which I have only given the warnings to the works of the devil in corrupted manuscripts and corrupted lexicons. It is not my duty to force anyone to accept this very sound advice. Yet, the Bible in whatever tongue gives the rules of interpretation: (Isaiah 28:9-13, II Peter 1:20-21, II Corinthians 13:1) So, what ever language that you look at this issue from, you still must adhere to what God has already ordained as His rules of understanding the Scripture.
Thus, are you well enough versed to READ the Scriptures in Hebrew and Greek and not simply search through a lexicon word by word and thereby compare spiritual to spiritual (i.e. line upon line, precept upon precept). If not, then you have not yet mastered these languages well enough to adhere to the commandments of God on how to read and understand His Holy Word, NO MATTER WHAT LANGUAGE YOU ARE READING FROM. It appears that you may not have understood my well laid out opinion on this. Thus, if you wish to spend your time in the original languages, then that is your work that you shall give account for yourself. I just sincerely hope that you have mastered these languages enough to keep the commandments listed above.
As for myself, the issue of the King James Bible has been a long settled issue and the only reason I write here is to share this with others. I do not have ANY doubt whatsoever that the Lord God sent His servant King James to preserve the Word of God in my tongue so that 400 years later, I could know and understand many aspects of that Word in spirit and in truth. Sorry, but trying to decipher very difficult languages to understand God’s Word will not be a profitable venture for me. I have already invested a fair amount of time to understand my wife’s language (Tagalog) and I do know how to ask for money and the bathroom and how to say hello to someone, but even in this task where it at times is to my advantage to know what my wife is saying before my very eyes, I am an utter failure at MASTERING this relatively simple language even though I have dabbled at it for 15 years. No, I will not take your advice and waste any of my precious time trying to master not just one, but two very difficult languages when I can simply open up my wonderful KJV and get reading and praying so that God will give me the understanding.
Perhaps many people have forgotten that much study does not give us spiritual understanding, that comes ONLY from the Father above. Ooops, why have people forgotten this simple fact. It is wisdom from God alone through INSPIRATION that gives us our understanding. (Job 32:8.) So, many scholars of the Bible exist with absolutely NO spiritual understanding whatsoever and they will spend all eternity in hell because even though they were great masters of the Hebrew and Greek, yet they never once humbled themselves before God and asked Him to show them the wisdom and understanding of any particular verse in the Bible. Nope, it is a spiritual issue, not a scholarship issue so that the most simple and uneducated man can through the power of the Holy Spirit have great wisdom indeed. In this, I will take my stand.
As far as the issue of Goliath, we have an impasse on the name of Goliath since the original Hebrew lists it as “Elhanan killed Goliath.” That is a contradiction UNLESS GOLIATH is the family name. Any other reasoning leads to a true contradiction in the HEBREW which I shall never accept or my God cannot even keep this relatively small promise to have a pure and Holy Word. Since we are to come and reason with the Lord, that is the only logical conclusion that I can reach by assuming that both verses are true at the same time. If you have a different explanation before the Lord, then that is your own conclusion.
I would highly recommend that you yourself read the book in Awe of Thy Word and read from a noted scholar of many languages the dangers of comparing God’s Holy Word to an earthly lexicon that has been corrupted. In fact the ONLY manner in which you can compare spiritual to spiritual ( in other words scripture to scripture) in the Hebrew and Greek is to be a master of both of those languages completely including the current modern language as well as the old language as well as what Erasmus noted was the different manner in which the Bible documents were written with a specific and different manner of language type as well. Thus, you will need to master 3 versions of each language and then be able to know when the manuscripts has been corrupted and when the lexicon is corrupted. Erasmus, Tyndale and others were such masters of the languages to be able to engage in this endeavor. There advice, read the Bible in your own tongue. Why was it so important that Tyndale and many others gave their flock the Word of God in the vernacular language anyway that they were willing to die in accomplishing that work.. I have already stated this issue several times, and I am not the only person to hold this view. Look at David Daniels and G.A. Riplinger’s works and you will see that these true experts advise against this method of Bible study.
In any case, if you wish to study in the manner in which you do, that is yours to give account. My method of study is quite simple, I pray for understanding before I start to read and study, and then I compare line to line, precept to precept, here a little and there a little and look for the Scriptures themselves to give me the ready answer. It has been a very profitable method that comes directly from the commandments of God. It truly works quite well. I cannot advocate ANY other method whatsoever, no matter which language you use.
In the love of Christ,
Peter
Dear Paul,
The source of that statement is from one of the volumes of the English history written by Sir Winston. I have listed the quotation in my book, but I truly believe that most of those 760 translations have probably disappeared from the world. Perhaps you can follow the reference below and check out Churchill’s reference to see if there are any extant copies, or where he got his source of information from. It is likely a quite daunting task, but if one of your students were able to do this as a college project, it might be accomplished. Good luck,
Peter
Winston S. Churchill, The New World, (New York: Dodt, Mead and Company, 1956) p. 89
[EDITOR'S NOTE: Okay ... located. "A History of the English Speaking Peoples: 4 Volume Set"; Vol 1 The Birth of Britain; Vol. 2 The New World; Vol. 3 The Age of Revolution; Vol. 4 The Great Democracies; by Winston S. Churchill
Disappeared? Hidden and unused for years, yes. Disappeared - I pray not! I should have volume 2 of Churchill's work in hand by tomorrow. Someone, somewhere ... has these Bible! I wonder where.... Actually, I know of a good library in an old Catholic Archabbey in the US that may be one promising location. There are some amazing works on the shelves there. 16th & 17th Century - I have carefully held and slowly opened such works there. Another possible location is the GTU back in Berkeley (www.gtu.edu). They have an excellent library with many old (even 19th Century and older) works available. P.A. ]
cookster
Said this on December 1st, 2007 at 5:14pm:
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Just a few comments on “translating”.
Ask anyone who has translated anything substantial from one language to another and they will tell you how delicate and hard it is.
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I’m well aware of the translation of the Bible, also the history and the copying of the scrolls by the Scribe Ezra. Last semester in college we had the pleasure of taking ‘The doctrine of the Bible’ which not only spoke of God’s Word in its Greek and Jewish form, but also the multiple translations. After taking this course, actually studying rather than accepting what I found on the net as a contrast said, I realized that the KJV is the absolute perfect english authority of God’s Word. Everything else is man’s commentary or restructuring of corrupted text. You stated a 1% of error, how much more you should study the history of translations further. There isn’t any argument between Scholars that the Majority Text is the most accurate. That which the KJV was translated. You said it yourself, the translation process is more difficult for most of us to imagine, which is why the KJV stands out above the rest. There has never been any better preserved translation process, handled with more academia and care than the KJV translation. As stated earlier the KJVs translation and its careful process has never been practiced with any other version.
I think we might have been headed down that road and neither side can make the claim that it is “word for word” translated.
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I never made this claim that this was a word for word translation, if it were I wouldn’t need to use he greek translator to understand why some things say some things. I did say, however, that the KJV is the closest to the word for word as it pertains to the english language. The reason you can’t altar and paraphrase too far away (as the NIV has done) is because english words used in the KJV were used SPECIFICALLY for the purpose to explain and emphasize the meaning of the verse as it is compared with the Greek. You can’t use the NIV to understand the importants of some scripture because words have been taken away for ease of reading, rather than ease of understanding.
The only argument that should be made from the KJ only believers is that the NIV or others have been mistranslated, that the meaning has been lost. We have over 14,000 manuscript copies of the New Testament. It isn’t hard to see if something has been lost.
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Again you missed teh point of my earlier post which brings me to question if you are truley reading them entirely, understanding or truley are seeking truth or debate.
The scholars of today have through historic research, concluded that the Majority Text is the most accurate form of manuscript of the New Testament. This which the KJV is translated by. Other versions (including the NIV) use multilpe forms of manuscript. If you believe translation has been lost via multiple manuscripts, certainly you would have to agree that tranaslating from multiple transcripts would absolutly be corrupt.
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I have stated before and I still am waiting for an answer to which doctrine am I missing or how am I being led astray by the NIV?
You’ve been given ample reason, but you haven’t accepted them, this is why this will be my last post on thsi issue with you. I will give you the final reason below, a huge post explaing where the NIV not only has altered and changed verses but have ommitted entire verses from Scripture. Surely the ommissions of entire verses would warrant someone to consider the source a false doctrine. Keep in mind I am not speaking of you, but it reminds me of the multiple times in the OT when man, despite the warnings from Ezekial, continued to do what was right in their own eyes.
Secondly, if we are going down the path of mistranslation, I am alright with that. I just don’t want to get into a nitpicking match over words, that absolutely take nothing away from the text, but may be different. I, as well as Gary, could give you numerous words that have been mistranslated in the KJB and are a better translation in the NIV.
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No, you can’t. You can give me mistranslations that others have said are in the KJV, but not those you seeked out and proved for yourself, which makes this an argument between me and many others, rather than an argument between to Christians who claim the blood of Christ. Keep in mind the Bible even warns that everything you even say you are accounted for (Proverbs 18). Make sure that before you begin speaking of mistranslations in God’s Word, you are fully assured by God himself that those translations are there, lest you be held responsible as being a false teacher. You may not like this word of advice, but it is not my word but God’s Word that tells us this. And since you say you are looking for which english scripture is most accurate, it means you are currently not grounded in any one as of yet or fully assured.
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I want to hear the evidence for MISTRANSLATION. Probably the number one complaint about the NIV, (Gary touched on it) is the elimination of the name Jesus and inserting “he”. But the same argument could be made against the KJB. For example….NIV Colossians 2:9 “For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form”. KJB Colossians 2:9 ” For in HIM dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily”.
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God knows my heart when I say this, I am not trying to offend you in any way so please don’t take it this way when I say this. Your above verses is evidence of lack of study and understanding of the importants of Greek to English word translation.
The word “HIM” in the KJV (not KJB) you placed in question is not an ommission but an exact translation. The greek word in the Majority Text is ‘autos’ which in greek actually means himself, herself, themselves, itself, he, she, it, or the same. Derived from the particle ‘au’ with the added force of a demonstrative pronoun. In itself it signifies nothing more than again , applied to what was PREVIOUSLY mentioned. Which in Col. 2:8 you will see this word ‘autos’ or him specifically speaks of the word ‘CHRIST’ that was previously mentioned. Not evidence of an omission from the KJV but an addition to the NIV, as the actual manuscript was translated perfectly in the KJV but the translation was removed and replaced with man’s rendition in the NIV.
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A couple of websites to visit that I enjoy and are very indepth on the flaws of the KJ only position are:
http://www.bible.ca/b-kjv-only.htm
http://www.kjv-only.com
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I need not indepth study of ‘flaws’ found in my Word of God, there are none, every one that has been brought to my attention, with a little bit of study and a mustard seed size of faith God proves them wrong over his Word. That’s just what I believe. You would as well if you would remove the need for man’s evidence to prove the flawlessness of God’s Word and accept the flawlesness of God’s Word because it is God’s Word. I pray for you that you find peace in truth, rather than commentary. But if you have to accept the NIV becauase it is easier for you to accept, then I have no qualls with you because that is still between you and God regardless who you debate to the contrary. Your spiritual life and growth depends on you. You asked a question, I gave you answers, but you have not accepted answers rather turned it from a soul seeking truth, into a debate of the Bible. We don’t need to debate the Bible, we need to get the Gospel in the hands of sinners and lead them to Christ. Regardless the exact doctrine, both NIV and KJV do list that Jesus is the Christ, he is the Lamb of God sent to take away the sins of the world, and through his sacrafice he redeems those who will believe on him. This is the very essence of God’s Word. Stop looking to others to give you peace on God’s word, look to God. The more you seek from man, all you’ll get is man’s fallible response. Since you asked I do want to post this and the people here will probably hate it because it is a huge post but here are just a few things to consider. The NIV doesn’t just remove and add a word or two, there are whole verses, sentences and fragments that are necessary and placed there purposely through the Greek which the translators of teh KJV knew of and never made any changes only exact translations for these words of importants. Consider these and I will consider our discusson on this topic over as I have nothing more to say, I leave the outcome to God himself through his Spirit.
God bless those seeking and in Christ Jesus,
Gary Murray
GOSPEL OF MATTHEW:
1:25 (Firstborn) is left out.
5:44 (Bless them that curse you) is left out.
6:13 (For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.) is left out. (This is the Lord’s Prayer!)
6:25, 27, 28, 31, 34 (Take no thought) is replaced by “do not worry.”
6:27 (Stature) is changed to “span of life.”
6:33 (Of God) is left out. Referring to the Kingdom.
8:29 (Jesus) is left out. As Son of God.
9:13 (To repentance) is left out. Calling sinners.
12:35 (Of the heart) is left out. Good treasure.
13:51 (Jesus said unto them) and (Lord) are left out.
15:8 (Draweth unto me with their mouth) is left out.
16:3 (O ye hypocrits) is left out.
16:20 (Jesus) is left out.
17:20 (Jesus) is left out.
17:21 (This verse is left out completely) You must have the KJV to know what it said!
18:11 (This verse is left out completely) You must have the KJV to know what it said!
19:9 (Last 11 words are left out)
19:17 (God) is left out. None good but (God).
20:7 (Whatsoever is right receive) is left out.
20:16 (Many be called but few chosen) is left out.
20:22 (Baptized with Christ’s baptism) is left out.
23:14 (This verse is left out completely) You must have the KJV to know what it said!
25:13 (Wherein the Son of man cometh) is left out.
27:35 (Fulfilled spoken by the prophet) is left out.
28:2 (From the door) is left out.
28:9 (They went to tell his disciples) is left out.
GOSPEL OF MARK:
1:14 (Of the kingdom) is left out.
1:31 (Immediately) is left out.
2:17 (To repentance) is left out.
6:11 (More tolerable for Sodom and Gomorrha) is left out.
6:33 (Him) is changed to them.
7:8 (Washing of pots and cups) is left out.
7:16 (This verse is left out completely) You must have the KJV to know what it said!
9:24 (Lord) is left out.
9:44 (This verse is left out completely) You must have the KJV to know what it said!
9:46 (This verse is left out completely) You must have the KJV to know what it said!
9:49 (Every sacrifice shall be salted) is left out.
10:21 (Take up the cross) is left out.
10:24 (For them that trust in riches) is left out.
11:10 (In the name of the Lord) is left out.
11:26 (This verse is left out completely) You must have the KJV to know what it said!
13:14 (Spoken by Daniel the prophet) is left out.
13:33 (And pray) is left out.
14:68 (And the cock crew) is left out.
15:28 (This verse is left out completely) You must have the KJV to know what it said!
GOSPEL OF LUKE:
1:28 (Blessed are thou among women) is left out.
2:33 (Joseph) is changed to Father.
2:43 (Joseph and his Mother) is changed to parents.
4:4 (But by every Word of God) is left out.
4:8 (Get thee behind me Satan) is left out. (Leaving out an important way to escape from temptation?)
4:41 (The Christ) is left out.
6:48 (Founded upon a rock) is “well built”.
7:31 (And the Lord said) is left out.
9:54 (Even as Elijah did) is left out.
9:56 (Son of man is come to save lives) is left out.
11:2-4 (Half the Lord’s prayer is left out) (Just awful!)
11:29 (The prophet) is left out.
17:36 (This verse is left out completely) You must have the KJV to know what it said!
21:4 (Cast in unto the offerings of God) is left out.
22:31 (And the Lord said) is left out.
22:64 (And they struck him on the face) is left out.
23:17 (This verse is left out completely) You must have the KJV to know what it said!
23:38 (Letters of Greek, Latin, Hebrew) is left out.
23:42 (Lord) is left out.
24:49 (Of Jerusalem) is left out.
GOSPEL OF JOHN:
1:14 (Begotten) is left out. Also 1:18, 3:16, 3:18!!!
1:27 (Preferred before me) is left out.
3:13 (Which is in Heaven) is left out.
3:15 (Should not perish) is left out.
4:12 (The Christ) is left out.
5:3 (Waiting for the moving of the water) is left out.
5:4 (This verse is left out completely) You must have the KJV to know what it said!
6:47 (On Me) is left out.
6:69 (That Christ the Son) is left out.
9:35 (Son of God) is left out.
11:41 (Where the dead was laid) is left out.
16:16 (Because I go to the Father) is left out.
17:12 (In the world) is left out.
20:29 (Thomas) is left out.
BOOK OF ACTS:
2:30 (According to flesh raise up Christ to sit on his throne) is left out.
7:30 (Of the Lord) is left out.
7:37 (Him shall ye hear) is left out.
8:37 (This verse is left out completely) You must have the KJV to know what it said!
9:5-6 (Most of these versus are left out completely) You must have the KJV to know what it said!
10:6 (What thou oughtest to do) is left out.
15:18 (Known unto God his works) is left out.
16:31 (Christ) is left out.
17:26 (Blood) is left out.
20:25 (Of God) is left out.
20:32 (Brethren) is left out.
23:9 (Let us not fight against God) is left out.
24:7 (This verse is left out completely) You must have the KJV to know what it said!
24:15 (Of the dead) is left out.
28:16 (Half of this verse is left out)
28:29 (This verse is left out completely) You must have the KJV to know what it said!
BOOK OF ROMANS:
1:16 (Of Christ) is left out.
1:29 (Unrighteousness, fornication, and covetousness) are left out. (Should be left out of a Christians life, not the word of God)
8:1 (The last 10 words are left out)
9:28 (In righteousness) is left out.
10:15 (Of peace) is left out.
10:16 (Obeyed the Gospel) is substituted by “Accepted the good news.”
11:6 (The last 18 words are left out of this verse)
13:9 (Shall not bear false witness) is left out. (How convenient, you know false scripture is also considered false doctrine)
14:6 (15 words are left out of this verse)
14:21 (Offended, made weak) is left out.
15:29 (Of the Gospel) is left out.
16:24 (The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. Amen) is left out.
BOOK OF I CORINTHIANS:
1:14 (I thank God) is left out.
5:7 (For us) is left out.
6:20 (The last 7 words are left out)
7:5 (Fasting) is left out.
7:39 (By the law) is left out.
10:28 (The earth is the Lord’s) is left out.
11:24 (Take eat & broken) are left out.
15:47 (The Lord) is left out.
16:22 (Jesus Christ) is left out.
16:23 (Christ) is left out.
BOOK OF II CORINTHIANS:
4:6 (Jesus) is left out.
4:10 (The Lord) is left out.
5:18 (Jesus) is left out.
11:31 (Christ) is left out.
BOOK OF GALATIANS:
3:1 (That ye should not obey truth) is left out.
3:17 (In Christ) is left out.
4:7 (Through Christ) is left out.
6:15 (In Christ Jesus) is left out.
6:17 (Lord) is left out.
BOOK OF EPHESIANS:
3:9 (By Jesus Christ) is left out.
3:14 (Of our Lord Jesus Christ) is left out.
5:30 (Of his flesh and of his bones) is left out.
6:10 (My brethren) is left out.
BOOK OF PHILIPPIANS:
3:16 (Let us mind the same thing) is left out.
4:13 (Christ) is left out.
COLOSSIANS:
1:2 (The Lord Jesus Christ) is left out.
1:14 (Through his Blood) is left out.
1:28 (Jesus) is left out.
2:11 (Of the sins of) is left out.
3:6 (Children of disobedience) is left out.
BOOK OF I THESSALONIANS:
1:1 (From God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ) is left out.
2:19 (Christ) is left out.
3:11 (Christ) is left out.
3:13 (Christ) is left out.
BOOK OF II THESSALONIANS:
1:8 (Christ) is left out.
BOOK OF I TIMOTHY:
1:17 (Wise) is left out.
2:7 (In Christ) is left out.
3:16 (God) is left out.
4:12 (In spirit) is left out.
6:5 (From such withdraw thyself) is left out.
BOOK OF II TIMOTHY:
1:11 (Of the Gentiles) is left out.
4:1 (Lord) is left out.
4:22 (Jesus Christ) is left out.
BOOK OF TITUS:
1:4 (The Lord) is left out.
BOOK OF PHILEMON:
1:6 (Jesus) is left out.
1:12 (Receive him) is left out.
BOOK OF HEBREWS:
1:3 (By himself) is left out.
2:7 (Set him over the works of thy hands) is left out.
3:1 (Christ) is left out.
7:21 (After the order of Melchisedec) is left out.
10:30 (Saith the Lord) is left out.
10:34 (In Heaven) is left out.
11:11 (Was delivered of a child) is left out.
BOOK OF JAMES:
5:16 (Faults) is changed to “sins.”
BOOK OF I PETER:
1:22 (Through the spirit) is left out.
4:1 (For us) is left out.
4:14 (The last 15 words are left out)
5:10 (Jesus) is left out.
5:11 (Glory and dominion) are left out.
BOOK OF II PETER:
2:17 (Forever) is left out.
3:9 (Us-Ward) is changed to “you.”
BOOK OF I JOHN:
1:7 (Christ) is left out.
4:3 (Christ is come in the flesh) is left out.
4:9 (Begotten) is left out.
4:19 (Him) is left out.
5:7 (Bear record in Heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: And these three are one.) is left out. (Here is a good example of a verse that can be used by Jehova’s Witnesses to prove there is no trinity, that which they believe and question the divnity of Christ Jesus)
5:13 (The last 13 words are left out)
BOOK OF JUDE:
1:25 (Wise) is left out. To the only wise God…
BOOK OF REVELATION:
1:8 (The beginning and the end) is left out.
1:11 (I am the Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and what thou seest) is left out.
2:13 (Thy works) is left out.
5:14 (Him that liveth forever and ever) is left out.
6:1 (And see) is left out, also left out in 6:3 & 5:7
11:17 (And art to come) is left out.
12:12 (Inhabiters of) is left out.
12:17 (Christ) is left out.