From: Kent Hovind
Sent: August 27, 2007
To: God, Widow Woman
Subject: God’s Provision
GOD: Hey son, you still seem to be struggling with trusting me to supply.
kh: I’m sorry, Lord, you are right. I do still struggle. Between the legal costs and the bad publicity, our ministry finances are pretty bad. I told you I would preach as long as you supplied.
GOD: Have I supplied so far?
kh: Yes, Lord, You have been faithful for eighteen years now supplying for the ministry.
GOD: I’d like you to knee-mail someone for me. It will help you.
kh: Sure, Lord. Where do I send it?
GOD: There is a widow woman who has your same doubts right between II Kings 4:5 and 6. Talk to her.
kh: OK, Lord.
KH: Excuse me Ma’am. Can I ask what on earth you are doing?
Widow Woman: Yes. My sons and I have borrowed lots of pots, pans, bowls, and pitchers from our neighbors.
KH: I see that! The house is pretty full of containers. What for?
WW: I don’t know for sure. My preacher Elisha told me to do it so I did. He loves God and always has good advise.
KH: How long have you known Elisha?
WW: Several years now. My husband and I came down here for my husband to go to Bible college (II Kings 4:1; II Kings 2:3;6:1; I Samuel 10:10;19:20). Elisha is the teacher. He is a real good one, too. He studied under the great Elijah himself (I Kings 19:19 – II Kings 2:15).
KH: How does your husband like the school?
WW: Well….he loved it, but he died last year. Now my two sons and I are way behind on rent and the camel payment, too. The current laws allow the creditors to sell my sons into slavery to pay the bills. We have been praying a lot! We’re desperate!
KH: I’m so sorry to hear about your husband and the great financial stress you have. How do the pots and pans fit in?
WW: I went to Elisha with my prayer request (II Kings 4:1), and he said, “Go borrow vessels, not a few” (II Kings 4:3). So I did. I agree that it seems a little crazy, but God works in unusual ways sometimes.
KH: What is Elisha going to do?
WW: I don’t know, but I trust God to provide. If He doesn’t come through by noon tomorrow, my boys get sold. Why does God always wait until the last minute?
KH: I don’t know. Maybe He wants to get all the glory. He sure deserves it!
WW: That must be it. I struggle with doubts and depression since my husband died. I know I should be a stronger believer. It’s just hard.
KH: I know, I struggle as well. I read your story, though. Everything will be fine.
WW: Where did you read my story?
KH: Ah….it’s pretty famous, but I can’t tell you right now. Just do what Elisha says. He has a direct link to God.
WW: OK. He’s calling me now. We’ll talk later.
KH: I look forward to it!
kh: God, You are right, as usual. I know you supplied for her because I have hindsight. You will take care of me, too, won’t You?
GOD: Of course, son. Haven’t I aways?
kh: Yes, Lord.
GOD: Go take a shower, son, you stink. Then, a twenty-minute nap. I’ve got your back.
To Mr. Abramson, and the now quiet, [EDITED], and [EDITED] Welders Wife,
Yes, it’s true, godly women (no jewelry, cut hair, uncovered head, expensive and/or immodest clothing (tight, revealing etc., or clothing which pertains to a man, designed by sodomites etc., or makeup, face paint, dyed hair etc.,) under subjection to their male leadership have many wonderful opportunities to serve God, testify, evangelize, teach the younger women, serve, worship, sweep, mop, change diapers (because God saved them when they were giving birth) etc., but not be out of order, disturbing the assembly on Shabbat, the Lord’s Day, or any other time.
Is this in the Bible? (quoting AV of course):
“9In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array; 10But (which becometh women professing godliness) with good works. 11Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. 12But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. 13For Adam was first formed, then Eve. 14And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression. 15Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety. 1st Timothy 2:9-15
And:
“34Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law. 35And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.” 1 Cor.14:34ff
Furthermore:
1Likewise, ye wives, be in subjection to your own husbands; that, if any obey not the word, they also may without the word be won by the conversation of the wives; 2While they behold your chaste conversation coupled with fear. 3Whose adorning let it not be that outward adorning of plaiting the hair, and of wearing of gold, or of putting on of apparel; 4But let it be the hidden man of the heart, in that which is not corruptible, even the ornament of a meek and quiet spirit, which is in the sight of God of great price. 5For after this manner in the old time the holy women also, who trusted in God, adorned themselves, being in subjection unto their own husbands: 6Even as Sarah obeyed Abraham, calling him lord: whose daughters ye are, as long as ye do well, and are not afraid with any amazement. 7Likewise, ye husbands, dwell with them according to knowledge, giving honour unto the wife, as unto the weaker vessel, and as being heirs together of the grace of life; that your prayers be not hindered. 1 Peter 3:5ff
Read the Bible-Read it and Weep!
The Campus Preacher
[EDITOR'S NOTE: It is interesting how the Bible *can* be manipulated by those with a vested interest in a particular persuasion. Some men, it seems, like the verses about "women being below" a little too much.
I recall that 19th Century America, in the pre-Civil War days, had two very different views of particular verses regarding slavery. In the Old South (generally speaking, of course) this verse was clung to:
Colossians 3:22 "Servants, obey in all things your masters according to the flesh; not with eyeservice, as menpleasers; but in singleness of heart, fearing God."
I think President Lincoln's Second Inaugural Address stated the dilemma: "...Both read the same Bible and pray to the same God, and each invokes His aid against the other. It may seem strange that any men should dare to ask a just God's assistance in wringing their bread from the sweat of other men's faces, but let us judge not, that we be not judged. The prayers of both could not be answered. That of neither has been answered fully. The Almighty has His own purposes...."
(full text) http://www.bartleby.com/124/pres32.html
Coming back now to men vs. women - CampusPreacher is quoting Scripture, yes. But wife to husband does not necessarily equate with all-women to all-men. Oh, and where is the verse, "Bludgeon unto others before they bludgeon unto you?"
Historically speaking, Christianity has been a liberating force for women, raising their status and respect.
You quoted from I Peter, "...giving honour unto the wife, ... that your prayers be not hindered." That is powerful!
So, the "giving honor" part, is also understood by all of us, correct?
A couple of other notes, a few key women actively supported Jesus' ministry's needs: Luke 8:3 "And Joanna the wife of Chuza Herod's steward, and Susanna, and many others, which ministered unto him of their substance."
Women and prophecy is an interesting item. This goes waaaayyyy back to the times of the Judges. And there is an important prophecy in Joel: Joel 2:28b "And it shall come to pass ... and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, ..." (This was later quoted in: Acts 2:17).
A godly man honors women. Therefore, CampusPreacher, I edited out the mean (IMHO) quips you started your message with.
Pilate should have listened to his wife. She had the dream, not him. Isn't that interesting?
But both Adam and Job should not have listened to their wives. (Job didn't, but she repeatedly told him to "curse God and die." Her name is not recorded; her influence is.)
Haven't you ever changed diapers before? Boy, you're really missing out! You think all of that culturally-attached stuff is automatically "women's responsibilities"? Interesting.
When I lived in Germany my German Christian friends drank beer regularly. I always drank cola, juice, or other beverages. I remember one concerned brother there trying to counsel me on how harmful cola is to the body and that I should drink beer instead. Isn't that funny? American Christians sometimes get into thinking that what has been adopted by believers here is the "most" Biblical.
I do not see Jesus, Peter, and Paul looking for opportunities to "put women in their place". And I do not see in the Bible where (per a recent discussion) any alcohol at all is somehow-automatically making someone Hell-bound. (I am not arguing in favor of drinking - but I think that there are bigger issues.)
A few years ago I was going to lots of Promise Keepers meetings across the country, at a vendor table, giving away thousands of creation science articles per weekend. In Nashville, as I recall, there was a man in the lobby of the truck stop hotel that I was asking if he was going to the event. He picked up and waved his beer can in front of him as a way of saying "no". That did not mean "no" in my book. But to some Christians, it does. I may be wrong ... but some "external" habits should not be "so bad" as to prevent one from meeting his Savior first, then deal with the other things, as needed, later. ...Does this make sense?
2 Corinthians 10:7a "Do ye look on things after the outward appearance?"
CampusPreacher, I did not like your previous mean message to Welder's Wife either. It seemed uncalled for. Are you showing others the love of Christ? I expect you to answer in the affirmative. I hope you are acting that way as well.
Yesterday ... I wrote a strong message to Cookster (who may be long gone now). He then replied strongly in the negative. I was (I would contend) trying to call him back to the authority of the Word. And I recalled something that he (I contended) had already been corrected on, yet he repeated the error! (Falsely claiming that there are "multiple" KJV Bible versions, as some kind of defense.) Ignorance is one thing. Willingly ignorant is much, much worse.
Strong words can be in love, of course. ...Am I reading you wrong in your attitudes regarding women in general? P.A. ]
Addendum to the Welders Wife:
BTW JH is not qualified to be a pastor or any other kind of preacher, unless he joined up with the Mormon devils and presidential hopeful dooter-Romney. He is double married. That is, the husband of 2 living wives, that is, practicing adultery. He grew up in the Assemblies of God before they backslid into liberalism, rejecting their holiness heritage. So JH would be what we call a holiness has-been.
Food for Thought,
The Campus Preacher
There have been many posts regarding Ron Paul and what this country needs for a president. I’d like to offer a different perspective.
I used to get worried about who won what election, but no more. I am at peace internally because I believe that in spite of all the rhetoric and fanaticism about electing the “Right man”, I think that God has a greater hand on the elections than we would think.
I don’t believe (though I haven’t studied much on it) that the USA will have a major role in the “Tribulation”. If that is in fact the case, then why is that?
Could it be that a crucial part of the USA will be removed BEFORE the tribulation? I used to think that, but now I’m thinking rather that the USA will collapse from within due to the worthless $dollar$. We may end up being owned by China or some OPEC nation when they call our notes.
Why would the dollar be worthless? I believe it is because government spending can never be controlled. (In theory-yes. In practice-no) Spending is now a fire that is out of control. Because spending cannot be controlled AND because the citizens have in a sense said “NO” to higher taxes, the government just goes deeper and deeper in debt.
To soothe that debt, I see (from the video link Paul posted) that OPEC is forking out money to keep us afloat. (just ask CITIBANK…)
So in a sense, we ARE paying for this uncontrolled government spending…at the gas pump…when the fuel delivery is made…when we buy pretty much anything, since the price of crude affects it all.
So, what is my point?
My point is that I think that all of this was going to happen regardless of whom we elected. End time prophecy must be fulfilled and I believe it must be fulfilled on a schedule. I believe that the time is very short. Man is on a collision course with his doom.
Let’s just suppose for a moment that: just as the Jewish age has had 483 of its 490 years pass by, (with the remaining 7 years completing the Tribulation) the Church age also has a set amount of years. Let’s also suppose for a moment that the pre-determined amount of years is 2000. That would make the Church age expire around 2033 (two thousand years after Christ’s resurrection). Time would indeed be quite short for all the prophecies of Revelation (and Joel) to be realistically doable (25 years). But things have been underway for centuries.
So I ask:
Why did God raise up Martin Luther?
Why was there a Protestant reformation?
Why did King James set in motion making God’s word available to the masses?
Why was the Spanish Armada blown mysteriously into defeat?
Why did the faithful Pilgrims and Puritans set the foundation for this nation when Jamestown failed so miserably?
Why did God raise up George Washington?
Why did the weak colonies defeat the greatest army in the world?
With the country poised on the collapse of Godliness, why did the Constitution come into being, thus providing a temporary defense against godless anarchy?
Why did America become the leader in innovation?
Why did America go to war within?
Why did Darwin & company spout their godless worldview?
Why did Karl Marx strike a nerve?
Why was INCOME TAX ruled unconstitutional in 1895?
Why did America elect gutless men to ratify the 16th amendment to the Constitution making INCOME TAX the law of the land?
Why did Germany go to war in the teens?
Why did the victors fail so miserably at preventing Hitler from threatening the world’s freedom?
Why did FDR rise to power and force the New Deal on us?
Why did Hitler persecute and commit genocide against the Jews?
Why did we defeat Hitler yet let Stalin rise to power?
Israel was established again…why?
Why do some say Roswell had a visit from outside the norm?
Why did we enter the Cold War and advance our technology beyond our wisdom?
Why was Reagan (the oldest president) elected?
Why did he survive the near fatal bullet wound?
Why did he spearhead enormous tax rate cuts and still increase revenue?
Why did Congress eat up all the increased revenue and still spend even more (balloon the debt even more)?
Why did the USSR collapse? Was their purpose served?
Was it time for the final enemy to rise? Islam?
Why did Iraq invade Kuwait?
Why didn’t Bush 41 get re-elected?
Why did Clinton get elected?
Why did Clinton supply China with highly advanced Rocket Science?
Why did Clinton fail miserably with the North Korea despot?
Why was Bush 43 elected?
Why were the two threats to our power in Bush’s first year in office: both China (remember the plane?) and radical Islam?
Why did Saddam continue to thumb his nose at us provoking us to invade when WMDs did not appear to be there after all?
Was Islam poised all along to suck the life out the American economy during Bush’s term?
Would it have mattered WHO was in office or WHICH party was in power?
Does this next election really matter?
These are a lot of questions. Loaded questions I admit. I’m thinking the answers to these questions can only be revealed if you believe that God has a hand in getting Man prepared for the End Times. Divine Providence. Prophecy. Call it what you may. Man was lagging behind and God got him back on schedule.
We could do our best to elect the most godly men in each federal, state, and local election, but I have to think that it might be akin at this point to Peter rebuking Jesus when he was told of His coming betrayal.
Just as Jesus said to Peter: “Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men”… are we not doing the same as Peter when we try to prevent what may be God’s Prophecy?
I’m no expert in these matters, but I seem to think there is a narrative of which we are not aware for the most part. When we look back on all the current events, we might all say: “Ohhhh…it makes so much sense in hind-sight.”
Before you take major shots at me for being ignorant of this, that and the other thing, remember it is only MY opinion and I have NOT studied this topic much.
Rock
“But because you think all women should be silent & not say anything, I’m going to be silent & not say anything else to you.”
Well said, WW. But we are not all red-necks so please keep writing to the rest of us.
Hi Geno,
“Paul, will you at least do us the courtesy of telling us what criteria there are for posting on this blog?”
It used to be on this blog that Paul would remain silent on many issues. When he did post the comments were usually short.
However, since he reported to us that he was thinking of standing for some election or other, the position seems to have changed. We even now have lengthy posts from him on economics. Do you think his proposal to stand has a bearing on the length and frequency of his posts?
To Djhouk: I’m glad that you have accepted the Sacrifice Of Jesus Christ. I noticed however that you missed some of my questions to be specific:
1.Please explain the “common good”, these taxes provide?
2.Are you a communist, socialist or what?
3.Please explain your definition of theft?
4.Are you stealing every time you refuse to donate to charity and the “common good” they provide?
5.Please state; what in the Bible you do, or do not believe to be true, and why?(do you only believe the New Testament?)
6.Do you believe in the flood, or do you fore go written history and scientific evidence to deny it?
7.Do you believe it’s right to pray for evil to befall your brethren?
I understand how easy it is is to mix religions (Creation/evolution/Catholicism/Buddhism/Islam etc..) when you don’t know that much about them. I also realize how people use the religion of evolution to justify their actions. I think you should consider, (if you’ve chosen only to believe the New Testament) that the people who wrote it through God’s inspiration. Knew the Old Testament to be true.
With love three crosses
I love the timing of JohnLake’s post regarding the National Debt under Reagan. It did not address the fact that Congress ate up the increased revenue he initiated through top marginal tax rate cuts and spent even more.
Selective information from the Spin Doctor, no?
Rock
Paul I appreciate your posts, and also that scripture about the prudent man forseeing evil. Most of us have children and grandchildren, and people we love dearly. I do pray for the Lords keeping hand through these perilous times. We do pray for the Hovinds, and pray for their deliverance. I know that God looks at the heart and our motives for our decisions in daily life. I don’t understand why Kent Hovind chose to not have a social security card, and renounce his citizenship. I do know that his video teachings have led many to a saving knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. I appreciate his practical approach to the biblical flood, at one point before I heard about Dr. Dino, I had had watched reasons to believe on TBN with Hugh Ross, but I didn’t know his stand about a world wide flood. It grieved me that Hugh Ross and Kent Hovind had to have a debate, when they both Love the Lord. Again it was Kent Hovinds practical approach that touched my heart. He said ” if it was a local flood then why didn’t God tell Noah to move?” I wished with all my heart that Hugh Ross and many more will see the importance of unity in the body of Christ in this trying hour. How much more of a testimony it would have been if Kent and Hugh would have showed unity in their Love for each other in Christ.
Perhaps in the days to come christians would put their differences aside and come together as Christ would have it, as he said in the Gospels, “You would know them if they were my disciples if they have Love one to another”. There is so much debate, fighting and arguing in the name of the Lord, but it brings no Love or unity. I for one don’t have a problem with Kent Hovind getting a social security card and changing this around, I do know that Dinoland was a ministry. I know that the Lord can turn this whole thing around.
I do thank God for our brave men and women who fought during the wars, against Hitler who wanted to take over the world. I thank God I didn’t grow up in a communist society but even though many american leaders made the wrong decisions, we still were free for the most part. For this I pledge allegiance to our American flag, for what it stood for, for our precious soldiers who lost their lives fighting for this freedom. Perhaps I have a unique understanding on this since I was raised in an orphanage while my dad was in the army. Many God have mercy on America, help us, lead us and deliver us. In Jesus name amen. from Brenda and Don
PS We don’t have to have doctorates or high degrees to understand the salvation message and His wonderful love for us, He said except you become as a little child,,, I believe he meant childlike faith.
Dear Samphire, Geno, JohnLake, and other honorable skeptics in our midst.
I am in a quandary.
Not a quarry – a quandary!
Going way, way back to early October 2007 (3 months ago) this blog site made a marked change.
Previously I had tried, for well over a year, to let pretty much anyone say anything. Honest rebuttal and debate were encouraged, I believe. But charges of “lying”, argumentative posts and short “hit” messages (a message that was more an insult than one with content), I edited out.
You know, MOST people do fine in that environment. I really do believe that almost everyone is pretty well self-regulating. Not all; but most folks.
Over the year or so (of an open forum) I received a certain amount of flack from some believers who really did not like the negativity, as they perceived it. Some persons left and did not return.
Hmmm, some persons thrived in the environment. EndTimes, myself, and several other believers, I think, did fine. I liked many of the challenges from Samphire and others. -It was an interesting set of debates.
In October – we changed the emphasis. Within CSE, and from some believers with influence it was determined to try to return to the original reason for creating cseblogs.com in the first place. -It was to let folks know of events within CSE, and in particular the legal status, motions, how best to pray, etc.
Do you know … there are STILL some who think that this blog is TOO negative! Yes, it is true. Hmmm, I am more actively moderating these days. We have a “Since the Bible is true…” orientation now.
JL, you like Geno, Samphire, CMaryChurch, and other smart persons (who happen to not believe the Bible, at least not in the way I do), I am not sure what best to do.
JohnLake stated earlier today: “So, if you are wanting to know if I’m a professed Christian; I’m not.”
We have many topics (which Geno pointed out too) that are not directly “Bible-based” in orientation.
Folks, (skeptics, believers, searchers, non-searchers, readers) I would solicit your opinions. How should I best be “fair”? Maybe I should not comment.
I let Ekkman and Cookster to go at it for weeks with very long posts. A few times I asked for shorter messages, more links, and/or for some kind of conclusion or resolution. But then when I chimed in on a particular side starting only a couple of days ago – Cookster abruptly left.
Samphire noted the economic/political things that I have written about of late. Well, … they interest me. But maybe they do not interest others. A couple of days ago I gave links to “The Energy Non-Crisis”. No one commented. Gas at $3 per gallon is not of concern to readers of this blog? In the book by Lindsey Williams (and repeated in the video that I linked to) is his contention that there is no oil shortage. On Alaska’s North Slope a “secret” huge find has been quietly capped. He was a witness to this event. It is called Gull Island. And everyday a massive amount of natural gas is pumped back into the ground in Alaska since there is currently no way to move it out of the area. If a second Alaskan pipeline were built, America’s dependence on imported oil would drastically drop, Arab/Muslim petro-dollars influence would drop, the economy would catapult upward. …Folks are not interested in this?
And yesterday I wrote about the possibility (by examining one set of factors) of hyper-inflation of the US dollar. I kind of like the ability to buy food. Call me crazy, but prices rocketing upwards is not my idea of a good time. But … maybe I am wrong.
A few issues have been beat to death within the blog in the past. “Dr. Hovind is a criminal; a tax evader type.” “No, you are wrong, he is a great patriot.” Et cetera.
So to sum up, if “Since the Bible is true…” is a posting criteria, should non-Bible-believing folks (albeit ofttimes smart persons, and making good points) be given free reign to post messages? If the person is not actually questioning the Bible – does their general skepticism help, hurt, or is it inconsequential?
Your Humble (horrible?) Moderator, Paul Abramson
Let them post!
Save personal attacks and foul language, let them post.
-Mel
Paul,
I respected your (CSE’s) decision to cease the C/E debate. I created a different area in the Intertubes for CSE folks to flail freely with each other. I have moved to the sidelines and mostly watched this Blog’s activities, with amusement. The Ekkman/Cookster fry-fest was very interesting. CampusPreacher’s admonishment to Welder’s Wife was elucidating.
My suggestion is to return this Blog to one soley focused on Kent and Jo Hovind. Information on their cases, their legal status, even Kent’s posts from prison are good. Prayers and expressed thoughts about the Hovinds are fine. I think that if you hold to the criteria of “Since the Bible is true” then there shouldn’t be any arguing about how it is true, which version is true, whose beliefs are right, and so on and so on,amongst believers. Shoot, that’s what we skeptics are paid(by the NWO) to do.
CSEAntipode is a large tent. I am sure Endtimes would welcome some backup. Let the C/E debate rage over there. Let the versionary squabbles take place there.
With kindness which surpasseth all understanding,
Michael
PS- would you come over to CSEAntipode and respond to my Dr. John Whitmore information on Alaskan Dinos? Thanks.
Kent: It’s good to see that you haven’t lost your sense of humor, at least! Keep smiling!
I just found out how to use your blog site, and thinking I will enjoy it immensely!
Mr. Abramson etal
Perhaps a reminder is in order. I did not initiate the subject of women into this blog. It was The WW who wrote January 3rd, 2008 at 12:30pm:
“[ In New Testament Days, & also currently among The Orthodox, the women, & girls, & small children sat in a different area than the men & boys, & only the guys interacted with the one doing the leading. It was not the custom of the women to interact in the synagogue, ‘cause if they had any questions, they were suppose to ask their husbands or fathers at home.] [Now days, the family sits together & women are also allowed to read from the Torah Scrolls, & they are allowed to interact with the one expounding on the scriptures…"
CP replied: I was merely trying to expound on the fact that the original practices of the NT are still valid for today. Since, I hope you agree, we should try to obey the doctrines of Scripture as recorded so many years ago? You shurely understand the damage to western civilization caused by the feminization of our boys, men etc. Women educators, for the most part, wanting to put our boys, who are perfectly normal being hyper, energetic, and aggressive on psychotropic chemicals. They don't need narcotics, they need work, projects, wide open spaces to run out their energy, and copious amounts of vitamin "B" (the "board" of education applied generously to the glutious maximus).
Remember that 1 Cor. 6:9 states that "the effeminate will not inherit the kingdom." That is, sissies, wimps, pansies, fruit loops ect. go to hell!
editor said:
" It is interesting how the Bible *can* be manipulated by those with a vested interest in a particular persuasion. Some men, it seems, like the verses about “women being below” a little too much.
CP replied:I don't want to put women down, just help them get to their proper place is all. Most of the young women I minister to on campus (many thousands over the past 23 years, so I know of what I speak) get my pity. They probably had parents like Hillery and Billy C.
editor said: I think President Lincoln’s Second Inaugural Address stated the dilemma: “…Both read the same Bible and pray to the same God, and each invokes His aid against the other. It may seem strange that any men should dare to ask a just God’s assistance in wringing their bread from the sweat of other men’s faces, but let us judge not, that we be not judged. The prayers of both could not be answered. That of neither has been answered fully. The Almighty has His own purposes….”
CP said: Abe Lincoln was not a Bible Scholar or a real Christian for that matter. Abe Lincoln is in hell.
editor said: Coming back now to men vs. women - CampusPreacher is quoting Scripture, yes. But wife to husband does not necessarily equate with all-women to all-men.
CP replied: So you can't think of any other spiritual authority of men, given to the church by our Lord, where women, or men for that matter, are concerned, than just husband to wife? Ok Mr. Moderator, let's put on our theological thinking caps for a moment. Would a pastor (man), elder (man), presbyter (man), bishop (man), etc., have any spiritual authority in the House of God, over the female members of that local body? Doesn't Christ, who was and is a man, have authority over all women? And young unmarried girls are under the authority of their fathers? "6But if any man think that he behaveth himself uncomely toward his virgin...". 1 Cor. 7:36. Is this from the Bible?
Editor said: Oh, and where is the verse, “Bludgeon unto others before they bludgeon unto you?”
CP replied: No, we "Preach the Word, be instant in season and out, reproving, rebuking, and exhorting with all longsuffering and doctrine."
Editor said: Historically speaking, Christianity has been a liberating force for women, raising their status and respect.
CP replied: You are correct again! It's amazing what a liberating factor God inspired men have been for women kind in general. The invention of disposable diapers, wet wipes, vacuum cleaners, a host of time and energy saving devices, microwave dinners in a box, central air and heat, providing them with a comfortable working environment (at the house) etc., indoor plumbing, hot and cold running water (in the house!) have liberated women as never before.
Editor said"
u quoted from I Peter, “…giving honor unto the wife, … that your prayers be not hindered.” That is powerful!
So, the “giving honor” part, is also understood by all of us, correct?
CP replied: You are correct! I honor women everywhere for obeying the Scripture by the Apostle Paul (man)in Titus Chapter 2:3ff.
3The aged women likewise, that they be in behavior as becometh holiness, not false accusers, not given to much wine, teachers of good things; 4That they may teach the young women to be sober, to love their husbands, to love their children, 5To be discreet, chaste, keepers at home, good, obedient to their own husbands, that the word of God be not blasphemed.
Editor said: A couple of other notes, a few key women actively supported Jesus’ ministry’s needs: Luke 8:3 “And Joanna the wife of Chuza Herod’s steward, and Susanna, and many others, which ministered unto him of their substance.”
CP said: Yes, thank God women served our Lord, and did not have a bad attitude about serving The God-Man! And today, godly women serve real men of god the same way.
Editor said: Women and prophecy is an interesting item. This goes waaaayyyy back to the times of the Judges. And there is an important prophecy in Joel: Joel 2:28b “And it shall come to pass … and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, …” (This was later quoted in: Acts 2:17).
CP replied: Yes, women have and can prophesy, evangelize, teach, minister, etc. within the framework of the many Scriptures I have heretofore cited.
Editor said: A godly man honors women.
CP replied: No. A godly man honors godly women. I am not required to honor unrepentant, rebellious, god-hating femi-nazis.
Editor said: Pilate should have listened to his wife. She had the dream, not him. Isn’t that interesting?
CP replied: Your right, you married her, now you must listen, and listen, and listen, and listen...
Editor said: But both Adam and Job should not have listened to their wives. (Job didn’t, but she repeatedly told him to “curse God and die.” Her name is not recorded; her influence is.)
CP replied: Your coming around Bro. Yes, they listened, as all married men must do, but he (Job) didn't hearken! But we understand by "the rest of the story" that they made up--10 more children!
Editor said: Haven’t you ever changed diapers before? Boy, you’re really missing out! You think all of that culturally-attached stuff is automatically “women’s responsibilities”? Interesting.
CP replied: You assumed that. Wrongly of course. I have bought and changed diapers for 4 children, boys and girls. I can change a no. 1 in 1 minute, and a No. 2 in 2 minutes flat!
Editor said: When I lived in Germany my German Christian friends drank beer regularly. I always drank cola, juice, or other beverages. I remember one concerned brother there trying to counsel me on how harmful cola is to the body and that I should drink beer instead. Isn’t that funny? American Christians sometimes get into thinking that what has been adopted by believers here is the “most” Biblical.
I do not see Jesus, Peter, and Paul looking for opportunities to “put women in their place”. And I do not see in the Bible where (per a recent discussion) any alcohol at all is somehow-automatically making someone Hell-bound. (I am not arguing in favor of drinking - but I think that there are bigger issues.)
CP replied: Again, you forgot what I said. I said, "drunkards will not inherit the Kingdom." However, we teach total abstinence in my fellowship. Reason being, I have met few, if any college students who drink the small amounts required to abstain from drunkenness. Most drink to get inebriated. This is proven by the fact that non-alcoholic beer and wine is sold at a vastly lower rate than the intoxicating kind.
Editor said :A few years ago I was going to lots of Promise Keepers meetings across the country, at a vendor table, giving away thousands of creation science articles per weekend. In Nashville, as I recall, there was a man in the lobby of the truck stop hotel that I was asking if he was going to the event. He picked up and waved his beer can in front of him as a way of saying “no”. That did not mean “no” in my book. But to some Christians, it does. I may be wrong … but some “external” habits should not be “so bad” as to prevent one from meeting his Savior first, then deal with the other things, as needed, later. …Does this make sense?
CP said: No. You are espousing typical easy believism. That is, "accept Jesus as your personal savior and get free from bad habits some time later." Trouble is, most never get around to it. I teach, what the Bible teaches, repentance and faith in Christ leads to true Bible salvation. No other plan will do it. BTW, I don't have much confidence in the promise-breakers cult. They don't preach holiness, separation from the world, etc.
Editor said: 2 Corinthians 10:7a “Do ye look on things after the outward appearance?”
CP replied: Salvation is for the whole person, "Spirit, soul, and body." 1Thes.5:23
23And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. I hope your not espousing Greek heresy, that is, dualism. Dualism teaches "I'm holy and a sinner at the same time." This is heresy.
Editor said: CampusPreacher, I did not like your previous mean message to Welder’s Wife either. It seemed uncalled for. Are you showing others the love of Christ? I expect you to answer in the affirmative. I hope you are acting that way as well.
CP said: Proverbs 27:5 Open rebuke is better than secret love. 6Faithful are the wounds of a friend; but the kisses of an enemy are deceitful.
Editor said: Yesterday … I wrote a strong message to Cookster (who may be long gone now). He then replied strongly in the negative. I was (I would contend) trying to call him back to the authority of the Word. And I recalled something that he (I contended) had already been corrected on, yet he repeated the error! (Falsely claiming that there are “multiple” KJV Bible versions, as some kind of defense.) Ignorance is one thing. Willingly ignorant is much, much worse.
CP replied: I have been giving you the Word, and you seem to pooh-pooh the Scriptures I supply. Are they in the Bible or Not?
Editor said: Strong words can be in love, of course. …Am I reading you wrong in your attitudes regarding women in general? P.A. ]
CP replied: My attitudes are to line up with God’s attitudes. I get God’s attitudes from the Bible. As a preacher, I speak for God. I know what God thinks. I dish it out, and let the sinners (not chips, because real Christians don’t gamble) fall,on their knees… I’m open to rebuke. Put the Bible on me and let IT do IT’S work. You can preach me to the alter, but you can’t preach me to the house.
CampusPreacher
Hi Paul,
Taking advantage of the fact that the sun rises here earlier than down your way please may I be the first to congratulate you on your excellent post to campusministry. If ever the Council of Trent meets for a second time I trust it will seriously consider St Paul (II)’s Letter to a Bigot for inclusion in the Revised Version of the Revised Version.
With respect to the point in your second post as to whether we renegades, reprobates and general ne’er-do-wells should be invited back to an open house needs some consideration. Endtimes is doing a tremendous job over on Antipode on the side of the angels but he is doing it alone and I fear for his blood pressure as our recalcitrance and obstinacy is unbounded – but so, generally, are our good manners; we would never speak to a lady as do some of your posters. Unfortunately, we have no lady contributors not to be rude to.
On Antipode we would like to get back into the C/E debate but as the overwhelming majority of poster are for E we have been reduced to attacking the Good Book. As this is such an easy target (pace Endtimes, cookster, ekkman et al – down boys!) perhaps we should now be allowed back to dispute C including “quality creation science”. But are you man enuff to withstand our tickling sticks?
As for Kent’s problems, perhaps it is time to call a halt. He is doing his “porridge” as we say over here (“hominy grits” to you Yanks) and his appeal is yet to be heard. Until such time as the decision has been made we should give him the benefit of the doubt and lay off the subject. The general opinion of this blog, even amongst we who disagree strongly with the form of his ministry, is that he appears to have been harshly dealt with. Perhaps Darling or Learned Hand could tell us whether the use of the law on structuring under the circumstances of this case is unique.
So, let us back in and we can open up some entertaining discussion not only on the C/E debate but also on the elections and the weakness of the dollar. They may have discovered some fascinating fossils of intermediate species but do you guys realise how much the Chinese are losing by investing in the dollar? Huckabee must be grateful that he has so few of them.
Rock Prevaricator
Said this on January 5th, 2008 at 1:53am:
“I don’t believe (though I haven’t studied much on it) that the USA will have a major role in the “Tribulation”. If that is in fact the case, then why is that?
Could it be that a crucial part of the USA will be removed BEFORE the tribulation? I used to think that, but now I’m thinking rather that the USA will collapse from within due to the worthless $dollar$. We may end up being owned by China or some OPEC nation when they call our notes.”
Dear Rock,
Yes, there are many that teach that America is not mentioned in Bible prophecy and in such will thus lose its military, political and economic power before the tribulation. However, I invite you to study more on this subject and focus on the verse in Revelation 13:11-12. Who is the two horned beast like a lamb? What do these symbols really mean? Is this just figurative or is there a literal message behind these symbols?
I further invite you to explore the discussion on the false prophet on my website that goes into great detail looking at this subject. I believe that you will be surprised by the answer.
In the name of Christ,
Peter
Some general comments:
To Paul (as poster)…
I agree that the US is now on its downward spiral. All “empires” come to an end and we are no different. I have been advising my grandchildren that they should learn Chinese and/or Spanish. This is because (a) I see China as the up-and-coming economic super power and (b) there is a tremendous influx of Spanish speaking people to the US. (I’ve read that over 20% of the population of Mexico now lives in the US.
To Paul (as Moderator)…
I grant that moderating a list of this kind can be much like being referee at a cat fight (a fight between cats, that is).
If “Since the Bible is true…” is the posting criteria, virtually all of the messages posted by me should have been allowed. I would argue that I’m also “Bible-believing”, but we differ as to the interpretation of certain parts of the Bible… especially Genesis. That difference shouldn’t be an issue as you’ve had a raging debate here between KJV only advocates and advocates of different interpretations for a while and you’ve allowed that. In fact, you have allowed that “theistic evolutionists” (such as myself) can be Christians. Further, I have not challenged your interpretation of Genesis though I have questioned some of the conclusions you’ve reached about other matters. “Pre-flood” Dinosaur remains and Setterfield’s “c-decay” come to mind.
To Philip-George….
I responded to your last post about hydrogen-oxygen atmospheres. Paul blocked my response (for reasons that are still unknown to me). To sum it up briefly, I agree that 1% oxygen at 10 atmospheres will support life as that will provide about the same amount of oxygen (per breath) as at about 17,000 feet. I dispute that the mixture is not flammable since internal combustion engines work just fine at that altitude, though the fuel-air mixture should be adjusted for optimum performance. If you feel I have “ridiculed” you, I will apologize, but with all respect, I request you point out what I’ve said to (or about) you that you consider to be ridicule. Finally, “fundie” is your term, not mine. I prefer the more neutral term “Genesis literalist”.
PA – its simple; just say what the Holy Spirit puts on your heart.
Geno – O^2 does not burn. It supports combustion but is non combustible by definition. [we are leaving aside a discussion on ozone] The absolute density of O^2 is not the only factor in combustion. There is also the question of the collisions with, and the energy absorption by, the inert gases. See any discussion on mean free path. At 17,000 feet in our atmosphere O^2 remains a relatively high percentage of the atmosphere. Many things will still burn but with a lower temperature/ energy density in the flame produced. The jet engine has an impeller/ compressor to raise absolute pressures at the reaction site. At 36,000 feet it would be impossible to start a jet engine. The plane must be put into a steep dive to restart engines or wait until the plane has descended to below a certain altitude. Brown’s gas is hydrogen and oxygen in mono-atomic configuration – the energy profiles are different to diatomic states – thus so to are the energy releases in an implosion.
A lot of things at atmospheric pressure stop burning when the O^2 concentration drops below 15%. Carbon dioxide acts like an inert gas at atmospheric pressure.
I can go back through notes and try to find references but from memory at one percent O^2 and 5 five percent H^2 [by volume] at 10 atmospheres in inert gases, at say, a relatively dry 50 percent humidity an explosion is absolutely impossible. You could sit there striking matches all day, neither the match nor the hydrogen will burn sustainably nor explode. Some individual molecules might react at the site of the ignition spark but it will not produce the chain reaction one refers to generically as burning. [Too much inert stuff is bouncing around bleeding off energy]
It simple – I’m a creationist because that’s what Jesus did. Created ex-nihilo.
Whatever faults you might pick in my or any other creationist’s thinking it doesn’t change the fact that you shall kneel before the Creator Jesus and admit both who He is and what He has done.
Call Him mistaken now if you want – you won’t be when you see Him face to face.
Dear Editor,
Here are my two cents with regards to your last post:
By banning a post, you attract more attention and give it more worth than if you let it through. For example, in posts where you censor parts of the post but not the whole, it makes people more curious than if the entire post had been banned. If you want to ban part of a post, you should either ban the whole thing, or decide if the rest of the post has enough value for the entire post to be let through. Otherwise you are inadvertently drawing attention and curiosity to something that you did not want attention drawn to in the first place.
With regards to whether or not skeptics should be allowed to post… Perhaps I will use an analogy. Imagine a blade being tempered. If it is subjected to much duress (being struck, folded many times over), it will be much stronger than a blade which is folded less and struck less. As well, mixing in other elements (analogous to listening to other viewpoints, even if they are wrong?) makes the sword much stronger than a sword made of one pure metal.
It is easy to believe something when everyone around you agrees with you and also believes the same. But, when subjected to other viewpoints, we are reminded of why we believe what we do in the first place. That, in turn, can strengthen our own beliefs, or in some cases, change them when we discover we had no good reason for believing it in the first place. Presenting alternate opinions on this blog could help reinforce the beliefs of the creationists present, and could potentially help change the points of view of some people from less-Biblical to more-Biblical.
For those who like a well-argued, polite discussion there is an interesting and amusing theosophical debate at:
http://www.ajula.edu/Content/ContentUnit.asp?CID=1766&u=7037&t=0
between Sam Harris and Rabbi David Wolpe.
Dear Brother Paul A.,
I have had a dark, brooding depression in my spirit for the past year. Your post regarding America on the decline crystallized and brought to the surface much of my personal distress.
After prayer, the Lord, using your penned thoughts, has revealed (to me…I am not preaching to others) that I should take spare cash or savings and start purchasing and storing (and hiding) canned food goods. Our family will be able to minister and share the gospel with hungry neighbors, I believe, very soon.
Your observations of an America on the decline, I believe come from God-given insight and intelligence. Please do not fetter what the Lord lays on your heart. There is a reason you are in the position you are in.
I believe that scripture teaches levels of authority in heaven. In my spirit I can sense those here in this dimension that are on a higher spiritual and scriptural plane than myself. I have learned much from the postings of Welders Wife, End Times, and you, Paul. I say keep up the great work and let the postings flow.
In love and respect for you in Messiah,
Kevin
[EDITOR'S NOTE: Thanks for the note. I hope I am wrong about the scenario. I do not like thinking like an alarmist. Of course there are many situations where food prices could suddenly jump or be temporarily hard to get: hurricane, big earthquake, another terrorist attack. And fuel (to include fertilizer!) prices add expenses for farmers. After I wrote the "There once was a dream that was America" message, I found this article the next day:
"Forget oil, the new global crisis is food"
Financial Post , Friday, January 04, 2008
http://www.financialpost.com/story.html?id=213343
The article states: "...The impact of tighter food supply is already evident in raw food prices, which have risen 22% in the past year."
And they predict HIGHER prices THIS year. Hmmmm. I like the idea of getting a 22% (or more) return on my investment. So I also am actively stocking up on canned goods now too. I check the expiration which is often 2 years out and am buying with the weekly grocery ads.
Not long ago you could buy canned tuna at 2/$1. I just saw some canned tuna on sale for $2 per can!
On sale one can still buy canned vegetables at 2 cans/$1 US. But it is rising to 75 cents or more for the name brands, it appears.
Let's say that the "doomsday" scenario that I painted is wrong. Okay, then laugh at me later. But - if higher oil will lead to higher food prices anyway, then please join Kevin and I and begin quietly getting a few months ahead in dry goods (beans, rice, lentils), and in long shelf life canned goods - particularly when on sale.
And get out of debt! Switch your home loan from variable to fixed rate, please. http://www.daveramsey.com
HOARDING - stocking up when there is a shortage. (That is bad and hurts others in need.)
INVESTING - stocking up when there is plenty, if the prices may go up later. (That is good as it stimulates the economy now and means there will be less folks - who did not plan ahead - standing in long lines later.)
So many people have zero cash on hand and almost no food on the shelves at home. If terrorists hit an Internet or financial hub and the ATMs went down for a day would you be mildly inconvenienced or go without food until repaired? Please INVEST in some extra stocks now, so there will be less folks in line later. Buying $5-10 extra food each week now will put you a month's food ahead in several weeks. That is not hoarding (which is bad); that is planning (which is good and will later help your family and those around you). P.A. ]
Why Women Should Not Be Pastors Of Men:
[First of all before I get started, this blog is a forum where ideas are discussed & debated, & women are welcome to join in, the Moderator has already made that very clear. Secondly, there are at least a dozen guys here that God has put in the ministry, & if I were to say something Biblically unsound, I’d get nailed for it! Sometimes I get nailed anyway, and I groan & tell the Lord, “No way! I don’t want to do this any more.” and then He brings to mind what to say, & sends me back out into the ring.. & when He sends me back out into the ring, He usually gives me a joyful spirit to go with it. Thirdly, my goal & what I am currently doing* is developing Creation Science material to teach to other women so that they can articulate it to their realm of influence. There isn’t a whole lot of women out there doing this, so I have to come up with my own stuff, because what has been developed in the past [apart from CSE material] isn’t getting them on their feet, because women don’t assimilate material the same way guys do… Very few of them are going to pick up a Creation Science Technical Journal & read it, & yet they are the primary educators of society… Until we get them on their feet we are all weak. This is the only place that I know of where I can throw out an idea & watch to see how it lands, because most of the people on this blog are into Creation Science big time. It’s hard to find Pastors in the local community who have devoted lots of time to researching Creation Science. They don’t have time to do this & shepherd their flock at the same time, so whose brains am I going to pick when I come up with my own stuff? I’ve tried AIG & they are so swamped with multitudes of people it doesn’t work, & ICR is for developing technical minds. This blog is a God send & an answer to prayer!] And one of Dr Hovind’s goals is to see others get involved in the Creation Science Ministry, because the teaching of evolution is the biggest hindrance to the Gospel in our generation.
[*I teach a Women’s Bible Study, & I also teach Creation Science to women at a Women’s Retreat, & I spend most of my free time doing research. I have a husband who has graciously allowed me to do this, & if it wasn’t for him I wouldn’t have the needed time, & his brains get picked too, & much wisdom has been gained from sharing the same roof for almost 30 years.]
Ok, now back to why women shouldn’t be pastors of men, & I’m going to say some things that most of the guys wouldn’t dare say, so here goes:
1)To have a women be the pastor of a church is a complete distortion of presenting the picture of Christ as being The Head of His Church, which is the Body of Christ, His Bride. He is The Mighty Warrior, The King of Kings & The LORD of Hosts. To have a women be the pastor of a church is to emasculate this whole concept.
2)Women have a hormonal cycle & this affects how they think, & it changes from week to week. Guys don’t have that problem. Consider this: If a women is pastoring a church & she has P.M.S., how is that going to affect the congregation? What about pregnancy & menopause? It’s insane to put women in the position of pastor. Most guys have no clue how insane it is because they don’t struggle with the female hormone issue. And on the other hand, because women understand this, women should be the ones who deal with other women in the church. There is a great need for women to be in the ministry, but not in the area of pastoring men. In the days when the Temple in Jerusalem was standing, there were women who ministered in the Temple. Anna is mentioned in Luke 2:37 “And she never left the Temple, serving night & day with fastings & prayers”. I seem to recall that the Archko Volume also mentions one that Mary was related to. There were women who sang in the Temple. There were women who did some of the cooking & washing for the Temple & many other things. You can research it out in the scriptures. When the priests had to deal with sick women, they had other women, (probably their female relatives) helping them with that aspect of the ministry. Every month the women had to present an offering at the end of their thing that all women go through, & then they had to do a ‘Mikvah’, which is a monthly baptism by being totally immersed in water. The way this was done was that their hair was unbound & they stepped into the ritual bath with only the clothes that they wore next to their skin on, & they dunked themselves in the water with somebody presiding over the ritual. I seriously doubt that the male priests were the ones presiding over this ritual Mikvah. It would have been their wives or other women that God had singled out for that ministry. In Orthodox Jewish Synagogues women still practice this.
3)If you are familiar with the ‘Love & Respect’ seminars, they say that guys think like the squares on a waffle…each subject has it’s own little compartment & they don’t scramble them together. Women on the other hand are ‘spaghetti’ thinkers…one thought will remind them of something else & then they will go down that rabbit trail, which might wrap around the first thought, or it might go off in another direction, and on & on…. (Yup! I know all about it!). Women have to be multi-focused because they have to deal with husband, children, mother-in-laws, critters, etc, all at the same time, because they minister to all of them at the same time, where as guys have to be single focused so that they can do what is needed to be the provider & the family warrior.
Taking all this into consideration, when a guy is preaching a sermon, everybody can concentrate on what he is saying because he sticks to the same subject. If a women preaches a sermon, when she starts doing her spaghetti thought processing she looses the male audience !
4)Women’s clothing & women standing before men preaching. Oh man! Maybe if the guys were all blind… Ok, consider this: When a person is standing up the front talking, all eyes are focused on whoever is doing the speaking. Male or female, it’s better if you have a garment of some type that extends past the location of the zipper of your pants because otherwise that will be part of what gets focused on. Large pulpits are good ideas for getting the focus in the right direction, as well as providing a place for Bibles & Lap-Tops, etc.
Women have a desire to look cute/pleasant, no matter how old they are. Guys’ eyes look at ‘cute’/’pleasant no matter how old the guys’ eyes are are. When a guy gets up & presents a sermon, the guys in the audience aren’t going to have the thoughts going through their minds about ‘cute’ & thus be distracted from what he is saying. It doesn’t work that way when women get up to preach. There will always be those kinds of problems.
So why does God raised up some women to be pastors?
In the physical world there are people who are mentally handy capped & it takes a certain type of gifted person to be able to help them. In the body of Christ, there are people who are spiritually handy capped for various reasons & it takes a certain type of gifted person to be able to minister to them, & sometimes God sends women out to do that kind of ministering, & they pastor those kinds of mixed flocks.
I have a friend who is a female pastor. She’s Pentecostal, & her flock comes from an assorted background that would make your hair stand on end. Has God called her to do that? Yes. Does the Holy Spirit work through her? Yes. Does she have a hard road to travel? Oh yes! Do my previous points apply in her case? Yup! Usually what happens in cases like hers is that when God gets individuals in those types of flocks to a certain level of spirituality, He moves them on to other flocks where the picture of who His Son is, is not so distorted.
What about women missionaries? I thank God for them! Sometimes doors are open that women can get through to present the Gospel that are closed for guys.
Once a New Testament church is established, then as spiritual maturity comes, then the need for male leadership to be raised up becomes apparent.
There’s a lot more I could say, but the bottom line is, ‘What kind of a picture of Christ is being presented?’
Hi All,
I have made many mistakes in my life by not taking the advice of my wife. The older I get, the more I see, in general, God has gifted many women in ways men cannot imagine.
Have you ever seen “Judge Judy” discern the truth from two conflicting eye witnesses?
If I may, here is a site regarding the role of women according to scripture:
http://www.lightofmashiach.org/women/roleofwomen.html
In Messiah,
Kevin
Question for Campus Preacher:
How do you know Abe Lincoln is in hell?
(or, if Paul prefers,)
Since the bible is true, how do you know Abe Lincoln is in hell?
Bro. Paul Abramson,
You are not a “horrible” Moderator. You are what you are. Be who you are. I am what I am. It’s all in the wonderful plan of God. As Bro. Hovind teaches, unity and diversity. Would not the world be quite boring if all the roses were red? We would be deprived of the yellow, white, pink, and other colors. As to the human race, wouldn’t the world be boring if we were all one color or ethnic group? I heard one theory about the races. In Eve’s repository of eggs, were all the colors of skin, hair types, eye colors, etc., that are represented in our world today. With some variations of course. “Red, brown, yellow, black, white, they are precious in His site…”
This morning I preached in a County Jail. In the crowd were men from Mexico, Central America, Russia, and of Western European stock. When I gave the invitation for those men to surrender to Christ, praise God, every man responded. In heaven will be the saved of every variant in the human family. When I was growing up in the 1960′s, the civil rights movement was at its height. The slogan was, “Black is Beautiful.” Can we also say- white is beautiful, red is beautiful, brown is beautiful, yellow is beautiful? Of course. Because the creator built into the unity of 1 human family, diversity.
It is also true about our individual voices on this web log. Speech should be free, with some caveats of course, like profanity etc.
I’ll close by adding that I support what bluemoose said on January 6th, 2008 at 3:09am.
Best Wishes,
The Campus Preacher
Samphire noted the economic/political things that I have written about of late. Well, … they interest me. But maybe they do not interest others. A couple of days ago I gave links to “The Energy Non-Crisis”. No one commented. … Folks are not interested in this?
I was very interested in this. I seriously considered making a response but I feared it would have been censored because it disagreed with the moderators opinion. I base this conclusion on the previous experience of having my rebuttal of the claim that unfossilized dinosaur bones found in Alaska was censored for what appeared to be no other reason than it disagreed with the moderators opinion on the matter.
Okay, here is a nutshell is what is wrong with the “Energy Non-crisis”
- total absence of documentary support – relies of anecdote and sometimes even second hand anecdote.
- being 30 years old, the economic environment in which oil is traded has now changed.
- The USA does not exist outside the global oil market
- Any increase in US domestic supply would be quickly absorbed by India and China so any price reduction would be short-lived.
- no consideration for peak-oil scenarios
Conspiracy theories are very attractive especially when they claim that something of concern eg global energy decline, does not exist.
cookster
Said this on January 4th, 2008 at 12:34pm:
COOKSTERS LAST POST…ENJOY!
Ekkman,
Just as G.A. Riplinger has been shown to be a liar…so are you. I will not respond anymore to you because Proverbs warns not to answer a fool according to his folly…and you and others are FULL of folly.
Ekkman said: I really am sorry to see you go. I believe that if we continue on that you would eventually come out from under that “bible”. I think that you kept getting mad at me and calling me names and saying I am unhappy, wondering if I ever smile, etc. because I wouldn’t agree with you. Now you call me a liar and Gail Riplinger too. I would appreciate it if you would show me where I lied and if you do manage to show me a false statemen somewhere it all my postst, it was not deliberate and I will repent of it. Also since I talk with Gail RIplinger it would be nice if you could show me where she lied. I can pass it on to her when I talk with her again.
Remember the bible condemns false witnesses. I might be all right since I read your post again before I sent this off, you said, “Just as G.A. Riplinger has been shown to be a liar… so are you.” Since you based it on that condition and I don’t know where she has been shown to be a liar but she surely has shown that James White is a big time liar.
Cookster said:
It has been fun and Peter I ecspecially respect your kindness and gentleness in your responses…as well as Welders Wife’s informative posts and wisdom. Peter although we disagree on this issue…I thank you for how you show Christian love…unlike Paul and Ekkman.
Ekkman said:
How did I not show Christian love? All I did was disagree with you and show you why I disagreed. Is that not Chirstian love?
Ekkman
I posted something like this months ago but Praybird still seems to think the “Bushes” are men of God. I would agree if she meant the “god of this world”. Jesus Christ let us know that was Satan. The Bushes are not anywhere close to being Christians. I guess that she re-posted it since EndTimes posted his article showing the Bush passed the two laws that opens it up for “free” persecution in the United States of America. They can arrest and jail us for any and every reason basically including torture from the way that I understand it.
I really don’t know why she posted it again. It was just a guess. We really need to study the things that we think and say especially in these last days, Satan is going wild in these days. The word of God says, “Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:”
The information in the link below is just the highlights. You need to go to the page to read the stories indepth. They haven’t gone into all the junk he has done lately. Watch some of the videos while you are there.
http://www.repentamerica.com/bushrevealed/
Ekkman
Rock Prevaricator
Said this on January 5th, 2008 at 1:53am:
…
So I ask:
Why did God raise up Martin Luther?
Why was there a Protestant reformation?
Why did King James set in motion making God’s word available to the masses?
Why was the Spanish Armada blown mysteriously into defeat?
Why did the faithful Pilgrims and Puritans set the foundation for this nation when Jamestown failed so miserably?
Why did God raise up George Washington?
Why did the weak colonies defeat the greatest army in the world?
With the country poised on the collapse of Godliness, why did the Constitution come into being, thus providing a temporary defense against godless anarchy?
Why did America become the leader in innovation?
Why did America go to war within?
Why did Darwin & company spout their godless worldview?
Why did Karl Marx strike a nerve?
Why was INCOME TAX ruled unconstitutional in 1895?
Why did America elect gutless men to ratify the 16th amendment to the Constitution making INCOME TAX the law of the land?
Why did Germany go to war in the teens?
Why did the victors fail so miserably at preventing Hitler from threatening the world’s freedom?
Why did FDR rise to power and force the New Deal on us?
Why did Hitler persecute and commit genocide against the Jews?
Why did we defeat Hitler yet let Stalin rise to power?…
I really liked a lot of your remarks on this date even though I think we are to do those things that we believe are right to do. Such as voting for whom we think would be the best president. I haven’t ever seen anyone whom I believe comes close to Ron Paul. He surely seems like he has his act together. I have been so disgusted with the ones running that I quit voting years ago. I did vote for Reagan the first time but not the second. That was the only time I ever voted. So many seem to think that voting is the absolute answer but I believe that the absolute answer is in II Chron. 7:14. “14 If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.”
America’s only hope is to get right with God and that doesn’t look likely, sad to say. Even though I believe the government determines who gets in unless God intervenes and that can happen through prayer, Christians walking and talking it though.
Ekkman
I would like to share a poem, rap, whatever you want to call it that I wrote in reference to Jesus and what he means to me.
Jesus is!
I’m gonna take you from A to Z
To show you what Jesus means to me
He’s the Alpha and Omega, the Beginning and the End
He’s the Bread of Life, the Manna for all women and men
He’s the Christ, the Messiah, the Annointed One
He’s Deity, he’s God the Son
He’s Emmanuel, which means ‘God with us’
He’s Faithful, he never makes a fuss
He’s Good and only God is
He’s our Hope or life would finally fizz
He’s the I Am, ever present tense
He’s Jehovah God, and that’s immense
He’s King of kings and all others will bow before him
He’s Lord of lords and all others beside him dim
He’s the Musician and he put the music in my heart
He’s the Number one and from him I never want to part
He’s the Observer and he sees our every move
He’s the Provider and that he can easily prove
He’s the Quick, very alive and never very far
He’s the Root of David, the bright and morning star
He’s the Son, but He has always been
He’s the Teacher and he instructs me from within
He’s the Utmost, the greatest in this life
He’s the Victor and he takes away all sin and strife
He’s the Way and all others lead to the wrong place
He’s the Xcellent one, for he created outer space
He’s Yeshua, which means Saviour unto all who call
He’s the Zenith, the highest of them all
P.S. Campus Preacher – forgive my spelling of “Yeshua”. I don’t know much Hebrew and I don’t care to take the time to learn it. I don’t know anyone who speaks Hebrew and if God is going to speak to me in that language, he will have to give me understanding. I know Paul said, “Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.” I see here that there are tongues of men and of angels and since the Hebrews had their language and it was Hebrew, it was a man’s language. I also see that there is/are angels’ language(s). It is like that so-called Lord Maitreya who was suposed to talk to everyone in their mind at the same time but it turned out that he wasn’t ready to do what he was supposed to do in the ’80′s. I guess he is still working on it. I don’t know. I was learning Spanish. Now there are plenty of people here that know that language. Paul also said that he would rather speak five words in a known tongue than ten thousand in an unknown tongue.
Ekkman
Paul
When I showed you that place in Isaiah 61 and Luke 4 where Jesus healed the broken hearted. I agree that the spirit of man is super important but that doesn’t negate the physical part of man. All of man is important to God. He cares about our total being, all three parts, body, soul and spirit. He is a good Father and God. Even though there are times that it doesn’t look like it especially when a person is going through a trial or a test. I have taught quite a few different teachings on healing. Jesus is the same yesterday, today, and forever. He desires to heal those who come to him in faith as he did in the word of God. I think there are many reasons why we are not seeing it today like it happened in the word of God. He has healed me many, many times and many would be called impossible. Anyway, here are a few thoughts.
Healing and deliverance glorifies God. Sickness and disease, pain and junk like that doesn’t.
Let’s take a short trip through Mark before I talk about the importance and the necessity of faith.
Mark 1:40-42– The thing that sticks out here to me is when it said that Jesus had compassion. He was filled with compassion for the man and he healed him. Remember, he came to Jesus in faith.
Mark 5:21-42– Two people were healed here, the woman with the blood problem to whom Jesus said, “…thy faith hath made thee whole;…” Then the man with the daughter whom Jesus said to him, “Be not afraid, only believe.”
COMMENTS: (1.) The man believed Jesus could or he never would’ve gone to Jesus in the first place.
(2.) In v.36, Jesus ignored what the people said and told the man to just believe him. We need to do the same thing at times to see the glory of God.
God is trying to show the importance of faith and what it can do in your life and to make it even clearer, He shows what unbelief (basically the opposite of faith) can do.—
Mark 6:1-6– Nothing!
Mark 8:22-26– Didn’t say that he had faith but we know that he did since he came to Jesus for healing. (And Jesus didn’t even have a medical degree? and to top it off, He didn’t have training for the ministry.)
QUESTION: Why wasn’t he healed the first time?
COMMENTS: To help his faith along. Cf. Mark 9:23,24
To show us not to quit or give up. Ck. Matt. 7:7
NOW!
Mark 8:38– Jesus says, “Whosoever therefore shall be ashamed of me and of my words in this adulterous and sinful generation; of him also shall the Son of man be ashamed, when he cometh in the glory of his Father with the holy angels..”
Using this as food for thought, let’s tie this in with John 14:12 where Jesus says, ” ”
(I’ve heard people argue about this in terms of whether He was talking about greater in quality or quanity. It doesn’t bother me either way because all the glory goes to him, he’s the one doing it anyway. Ck. the next two verses–13,14)
Check Phil. 2:13, 4:13, John 15:7 and many, many more.
Now let’s see this carried out in Acts 3:1-9.
Faith
Heb.11:1, Romans 10:17, and Heb.11:6 tells us what faith is, how to get faith and you can’t please God without faith.
Eph.2:8,9 tells us that we are saved through faith…
Col.2:6 tells us to walk in Christ as we received him…
Rom.1:17 says the just (righteous) shall live by faith…cf. II Cor. 5:21…
II Cor. 4:13 let’s us know if we believe (truly believe) we will be speaking it..
James 1:6 says, “to ask in faith” then by the time you get to v.8 you know not to doubt, a double-minded man is unstable in all his ways and won’t receive anything from the Lord…
James 2:17 shows us that faith without works is dead, it is not doing you or anybody else any good…
Rom. 14:23 tells us that whatsoever is not of faith is sin…
James 5:15,16 closes with the prayer of faith and also praying for one another that we may be healed…
We are called to believe God’s word, claim his promises for our lives. He gave them to us for a purpose. He is an awesome God!
Ekkman
Mattwerk
Said this on January 2nd, 2008 at 7:37am:
Good day all,
Thanks to those who responded about my concerns about Christmas.
The things I fear is that there are many Christians who are well-meaning, but when it comes to something that is wildly celebrated – they don’t want to forsake it, even if shown certain truths. If I tell someone about the background, they say “but it’s the thought that counts” – meaning that they don’t care about all the pagan connotations, they only celebrate the meaning, ie that Christ was born and we all love Him. To me, this smacks of “a bad seed cannot yield good fruit”. Should we not celebrate His birth every day as Christians? Though before I sound holier-than-thou, I fail miserably with that. Even if we set aside the 25th December as a day to celebrate Him, do we not still buy Xmas trees (norse fertility god) and presents (formerly offerings) – here’s a clue – you have to bow down to place a present and bow down to receive one…
Ekkman said:
Mattwerk, I missed this post of yours. You said above that they, that being some Christians say, “but it’s the thought that counts” A better translation of that would be, “Our traditions will over ride what God’s word says. There are many of us and he understands.” Even though he commands us not to practice the way of the heathen.
Mattwerk said:
As a Christian magazine (though on some topics it’s spot on and some it’s bad, hypocritical) here in SA read – “okay, we all know Christmas is pagan, but let’s still celebrate it as a day where we can be good Christians, by charity work, soup kitchens, etc…”. Not in those exact words but that’s what it basically said. I am sure many will agree. But, 1) are we not saved by faith and not works, and 2) should we not be doing more good in any case, rather than limit it to one day?
Ekkman said:
I’ve talked to many in the world system from New Agers, pagans, whatever and many know that it is not a Christian holiday, that it was stolen from them. They just view us as hypocrites even though it was the Roman Catholics who took it from them and made it “Christian”, so to speak. As I was sharing with Cookster, if we really thought it was Jesus’ birthday, why do we say, “Merry Christmas”. That one statement has nothing to do with one’s birth. I can’t believe that I was deceived for so long, it seems so easy to see now but not them. Tradition is powerful.
Mattwerk said:
I don’t know. Maybe it’s me but I seem to find that when someone is doing something “correctly”, they are part of a cult – and no group of people do all (or at least mostly) the right things. For example, the Jehovahs don’t celebrate Xmas or Easter because they are pagan. Good – except that they mess up with all the other things. 7th Day Adventists celebrate the Sabbath on Saturday as Sunday day-of-rest is yet another Catholic affliction. Good – but the other things they do are messed up! Oh well, what can we do but our best… I won’t criticise Christians for their decision to celebrate Xmas, though I can only but tell them a few truths about the origins and let them decide for themselves. Free will!
Ekkman said: The J.W.’s are not even Christian and they stay away from it. Fear motivates them more than any kind of love though. Even though I think we are Christians need to learn a little more of the need to fear God, that is the beginning of knowledge and wisdom. This part also makes me think of my wife. She manages to get me out of the house and moves a boyfriend in. We didn’t celebrate Christ mas, Easter or Halloween. Now she celebrates all three holidays with our kids.
Mattwerk said:
Finally, just a thought – the crucifix. Harmless symbol or idol? Just that so many churches have a cross in the front and we all sit behind it and pray, sing, etc. So many Christians are fixated with the crucifix and wear necklaces (even glamorising it with gold, white gold, silver – now that’s disgusting). We all know about the meaning of the Cross but the depiction seems to be used an awful lot and even during worship. Anyone care to speak about this?
Godspeed all!
Matt – kraftwerk_za@yahoo.co.uk
Ekkman said:
As I am sure that you well know, the Roman Catholics have the crucifix because their Jesus is dead all the time. They kill him at every eucharist that they have. He is dying continually all over the world. Mary is the important one in Roman Catholicism. You usually see Jesus on a cross or in Mary’s arms.
I never did hear back from you, did you get the posts that I posted on Roman Catholicism when you asked me about witnessing to them?
Ekkman
a big aside:-
calligraphy means beautiful writing [from greek]
when the King James went to print there were already a variety of writing styles, print fonts to choose from. So why did the printers choose a gothic type/ old english style of type face?
I haven’t researched this but it seems to me the answer might just be that the publishers/ everyone involved with the production, wanted the text to be read slowly. Books were expensive to own and the experience of owning and reading a book was something to savour. Read slowly and appreciate every word. Read slowly and carefully! One single book might be the most valuable item in the entire home.
There is no doubt that the gothic/ old english font is harder to read than a plain italic style or simple roman type character sets.
Reading a photo-reproduction of the original King James slows you down. U’s and V’s might be interchanged. Many S’s are written like F’s. Some R’s a inverted. Many J’s are written as I’s or left out. A few words are written in short-hand or abbreviated or even truncated. Many words are spelt slightly differently to today’s dictionary entries. The experience slows you down. Every word has to be separately absorbed.
Looking at just page one of the most printed book ever it occurred to me how simple the task of the Evolutionist was. All they had to do was refute page one, Chapter one/ verse one and all of Christianity would come tumbling down.
“In the beginning God created the Heauen, and the Earth”
All the Astronomer, Physicist, Empiricist had to do was simply prove that time and space had always existed and that there was no beginning of time; or that someone other than God created these things – Christianity could be trashed. Jesus would look like a buffoon for quoting from a flawed authority and knowing nothing about science. ha ha ha
the man who walks on water and comes back from the dead gets both the first and final word
[my worship as well]
cheers
it would be a brave statement to make if the author couldn’t back it up
My thoughts here are largely at the invitation of Paul to help him out of his “quandry”.
Sometimes it almost feels like some progress is being made here, but then things lapse and we’re back at square one. I for one am happy to have the focus of this website on Kent Hovind and his deeds or misdeeds rather than the other lunacy that occasionally takes everyone’s fancy here such as arguing that the whole U.S Government is a legal fiction (which you can escape by spelling your name in lower case. Of course!), or the old King James vs NIV debate, or… whatever. I have summarised the whole unwholesome tableau on my own site, and as much as people here revile me for that, they have curiously never attacked my thesis, merely the messenger.
And my thesis, for those slow on the uptake, is that it beggars belief that so many people can be simultaneously so credulous and sympathetic towards such a demonstrably reckless crackpot. I can’t get over how it just sails over everyone’s heads here that Kent is on record (thanks for the link to the court document) renouncing his citizenship when the *only* reasonable construction that can be possibly put on the act is so he could avoid paying his taxes. So, the man is obviously no patriot.
Next, you can see Kent’s affadavit. Again, it’s all on the Court website- I’ve read all the documentation and it’s clear to me. Kent says that he took a “vow of poverty” in 1989 (his words in black and white). Kent’s vow of poverty was of a type that allowed him to withhold over HALF A MILLION DOLLARS in taxes and KEEP IT FOR HIMSELF. He didn’t give it away. He didn’t give it to charity. He KEPT IT. Then, when he got caught, he was taped conspiring to hide his assets. I wish I had made that kind of vow of poverty. You can continue to argue whether Kent was right to keep that money, but this fact alone ought to damn him.
Lastly, there’s the whole question of what this kind of [EDITED] behaviour does for the reputation of Christianity. Folks, Kent pushed ideas that EVEN MADE OTHER CREATIONISTS BLUSH WITH SHAME. He’s an anti-Semite and freely promoted anti-semitic books. He told people there are dinosaurs living in Indonesia. He told cancer sufferers to avoid therapy. Other Creationist organisations have rejected, rebuked and repudiated Kent Hovind (and, in order to short circuit the demands to substantiate that, let me point you to Creation Ministries International’s essay “Maintaining Creationist Integrity”).
If you’re a Young Earth Creationist, then I suppose it’s a free country. My 5 year old believes in the tooth fairy and I humour him. But doesn’t the fact that other, respected men, women and organizations have declared Kent a loose cannon and a total liability make a dent in your enthusiasm for the man? Love the man as a Christian brother, but STOP making excuses for him and STOP putting this down to some kind of conspiratorial oppression of a “simple man, preaching the word”. It’s not that at all and you should all know better.
There’s a sign on the wall at work: “Character Is Destiny”. Through the grace of God and the Sacrifice of Jesus Christ on the Cross, Kent Hovind’s ultimate Destiny is thankfully not totally dependant on his Character. I am myself thankful for that same grace.
However, permit me to suggest Kent Hovind’s character is directly and totally responsible for his present circumstances. I hope he reflects on that as he misses ten Christmases with his grandchildren.
If Paul can accept that as a valid and defensible point of view on this site, which purportedly exists to debate this question, then my hope is he can refocus the debate on this question and cut the irrelevant waffle everyone else seems bent on.
Hello Paul,
Should skeptics be allowed to post? I would say a conditional yes. The conditions would be to remain respectful at all times. So no boorish or trollish behavior. Any name calling or rude comments should just get the post or individual banned. I haunt a number of discussion boards and ‘flaming’ is not tolerated on the good ones. A respectful exchange of ideas is always a good thing.
As for topics, the legal issues surrounding the Hovinds should be left to updates. That whole topic has been beaten to death. They need to have their time in appeals first like Samphire commented.
C/E debate – I’d let it pass as it will dominate the board again. Neither side will convince the other so it is about the same as having the Pope debate Bin Laden. It lends itself to too much negative banter.
Other topics – Respectful, polite conduct should rule the day. And a 500ish word cap (or 5 inches long) should be in effect for posts. Anything beyond that is just too long.
I haven’t chimed in in a while. I want to say hi to all of CSE and let you know we are praying for all of you. I e-mailed the governor of Florida about this matter. His response was that the case is a federal matter so he couldn’t do anything. So I would like to encourage everyone to show up when a presidential candidate come to your state. Present this matter to them. Get it out their and show the whole country the blatant religious discrimination that is going on right here in the US. Mean while I encourage all to pray for all at CSE.
The Welders Wife
Said this on January 6th, 2008 at 1:58pm:
[portions snipt]
“I’ve tried AIG & they are so swamped with multitudes of people it doesn’t work, & ICR is for developing technical minds.I’ve tried AIG & they are so swamped with multitudes of people it doesn’t work, & ICR is for developing technical minds.”
WW,
You might also try Creation Ministries International
http://www.creationontheweb.com
They are the “original” Answers in Genesis in Australia, although they have a US office now. Although they caution against some of Kent Hovind’s creationism testimony, they are probably the most legitimate Creationist ministry (IMHO).
Michael
The Welders Wife
Said this on January 6th, 2008 at 1:58pm:
in part
“1)To have a women be the pastor of a church is a complete distortion of presenting the picture of Christ as being The Head of His Church, which is the Body of Christ, His Bride. He is The Mighty Warrior, The King of Kings & The LORD of Hosts. To have a women be the pastor of a church is to emasculate this whole concept.
2)Women have a hormonal cycle & this affects how they think, & it changes from week to week. Guys don’t have that problem. Consider this: If a women is pastoring a church & she has P.M.S., how is that going to affect the congregation? What about pregnancy & menopause? It’s insane to put women in the position of pastor. Most guys have no clue how insane it is because they don’t struggle with the female hormone issue. And on the other hand, because women understand this, women should be the ones who deal with other women in the church. There is a great need for women to be in the ministry, but not in the area of pastoring men.”
My sister is a Lutheran minister of a fair sized congregation (several hundred). She epitomizes what I consider to be the real message of Christ’s teachings. But then, I am a skeptic, so my opinion is probably irrelevant. However, her congregants strongly support her and her ministry based on my conversations with several of them, including men.
As far as I know, her hormomes haven’t interfered with her ministry. I could ask her directly if that would be helpful. Maybe Lutherans aren’t Christians, but who am I to say.
Regards,
Michael
“If terrorists hit an Internet or financial hub and the ATMs went down for a day would you be mildly inconvenienced or go without food until repaired?”
Couldn’t you get money across the counter at the bank like in the old days?
The best way to push up the price of tuna and to create a shortage is for everybody to “invest” by emptying the shelves of it. Investment then becomes hoarding and the poor suffer further. If you creationists learned a little of evolution in practice you would discover how the cheap price of food in America and Europe is causing massive damage to the ecosystem. The best thing which would help Mother Nature, if it is not already too late and an impractical possibility, would be to treble the price of food. If beef for our burgers was much more expensive by decree then perhaps we would still have the Brazilian rainforests.
Look what happened to the cod of the Great Banks. Because the cod stocks became exhausted virtually overnight there will be no more large cod from those fishing grounds such is the power of rapid evolutionary change. Small cod breed fewer eggs which themselves produce smaller fish; large cod give rise to more eggs and those eggs tend to grow into larger fish. As all the large cod have gone only the small cod remain and therefore only small cod will be bred henceforward. That’s evolution. Also, check out the herring/mackerel/cod system; how the health of one species is critically dependent on another. Take out one and you help destroy the remaining two. That’s evolution, too. Tuna are becoming more expensive because overfishing is reducing stocks and those remaining stocks are becoming more difficult to find. Hoarding will only encourage further overfishing in order to to restock the shelves. A better solution would be to turn to some other foodstuff. Homer seems to do well on popcorn and donuts for instance but, in his case, evolution seems to be taking a break.
Soon it will be the turn of krill stocks in the Southern Oceans to collapse through overfishing and then heaven knows what will happen. Still, with the imminent return of Jesus, just a couple of little fish will go a long way so let me say to our resident little sunbeam Itallburn: have faith; it is not all bad news.
Hi, Welder’s Wife
“Women have a hormonal cycle & this affects how they think, & it changes from week to week.”
Our lady vicar is not in the first flush. Indeed, I doubt she has experienced any flush for some years. She is an excellent lady and was selected for the job by the church council in preference to three male candidates. She is also unmarried so problems of childbirth are not relevant.
Was her selection “insane”?
PAUL ABRAMSON’S POST ABOUT FOOD
Here’s another thought to go with it: If you are one who believes in the Rapture happening suddenly & without notice, think about this: If you knew something was coming & others were going to be affected by it even if you weren’t, but you could do something to help them, but you didn’t, what kind of a witness would that be? How would that be keeping God’s command to love your neighbor as yourself? If you were them how would you feel? For this reason it’s also a good idea to keep your pantry stocked.
I live in a part of the country where for many, work is seasonal. There’s a multitude of households (both secular & religious) who stock their pantries when they can, because they never know what’s coming down. Some of them start cutting wood for their wood stoves as soon as the mountain roads dry out from the melted snow. They have huge gardens & they are into canning & drying different kinds of food. They buy fresh fruit in cases & do the same with it. During hunting season their goal is to fill their freezer. It’s a life-style. It’s a wise way of living.
I have a friend who keeps her pantry full all the time so that if she comes across people who are struggling, she’s able to put together bags of groceries for them in just a few minutes.
There’s another lady I know of who prepares food in smaller containers & then freezes the containers, & then takes them to the widows in her community.
I live a long way from major grocery stores, & it cost quite a bit in gas/petrol just to go to town & back. For this reason I stock up. The advantage is that if somebody unexpected shows up, or something unexpected happens, there’s plenty of food. However, I am well aware that it’s by the grace of God, because there are many people in this world who have no means to do that.
Our ancestors Grandma & Grandpa Noach, Grandma & Grandpa Shem, Grandma & Grandpa C’ham & Grandma & Grandpa Yafet also did this. They made great preparations for bad weather!!
EKKMAN, your ‘Rap’ is a blessing!
If you mail Kent Hovind does he actually get to read your letters? I got some questions i’d like to ask.(:
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